diff --git a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/factions.dm b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/factions.dm
index 6ec19c86979..fc2985c9431 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/factions.dm
+++ b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/factions.dm
@@ -919,7 +919,7 @@ GLOBAL_DATUM_INIT(gear_tweak_modsuit_configuration, /datum/gear_tweak/modsuit_co
 /datum/gear/faction/scc_notepad
 	display_name = "SCC notepad"
 	description = "A notepad for jotting down notes in corporate meetings. This one is navy blue with a gold SCC logo on the front."
-	path = /obj/item/journal/notepad/scc
+	path = /obj/item/journal/notepad/scc/filled
 	sort_category = "Factions"
 	cost = 1
 	faction = null
diff --git a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/utility.dm b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/utility.dm
index 8990974003d..1c9916398d7 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/utility.dm
+++ b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/loadout/items/utility.dm
@@ -46,13 +46,13 @@
 /datum/gear/utility/journal
 	display_name = "journal"
 	description = "A journal, kind of like a folder, but bigger! And personal."
-	path = /obj/item/journal
+	path = /obj/item/journal/filled
 	flags = GEAR_HAS_NAME_SELECTION | GEAR_HAS_DESC_SELECTION | GEAR_HAS_COLOR_SELECTION
 
 /datum/gear/utility/notepad
 	display_name = "notepad"
 	description = "A notepad for jotting down notes in meetings or interrogations."
-	path = /obj/item/journal/notepad
+	path = /obj/item/journal/notepad/filled
 	flags = GEAR_HAS_NAME_SELECTION | GEAR_HAS_DESC_SELECTION | GEAR_HAS_COLOR_SELECTION
 
 /datum/gear/utility/fountainpen
diff --git a/code/modules/customitems/item_defines.dm b/code/modules/customitems/item_defines.dm
index 2a9f8d2b2a7..b0cee1ab7e7 100644
--- a/code/modules/customitems/item_defines.dm
+++ b/code/modules/customitems/item_defines.dm
@@ -2051,6 +2051,13 @@ All custom items with worn sprites must follow the contained sprite system: http
 	item_state = "kath_journal"
 	color = null
 
+/obj/item/journal/fluff/kathira/Initialize()
+	. = ..()
+	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E = generate_index("Journal")
+	for(var/i = 1 to 5)
+		new /obj/item/paper(E)
+	update_icon()
+
 /obj/item/organ/internal/augment/fluff/kath_legbrace // Leg Support Augment - Kathira El-Hashem - thegreywolf
 	name = "leg support augment"
 	desc = "A leg augment to aid in the mobility of an otherwise disabled leg."
diff --git a/code/modules/paperwork/folders.dm b/code/modules/paperwork/folders.dm
index 87e1d0c8716..54dd9472a6a 100644
--- a/code/modules/paperwork/folders.dm
+++ b/code/modules/paperwork/folders.dm
@@ -153,6 +153,11 @@
 	if(!length(contents))
 		qdel(src)
 
+/obj/item/folder/embedded/Destroy()
+	for(var/x in src)
+		qdel(x)
+	. = ..()
+
 /obj/item/folder/envelope
 	name = "envelope"
 	desc = "A thick envelope. You can't see what's inside."
diff --git a/code/modules/paperwork/journal.dm b/code/modules/paperwork/journal.dm
index c6d7d7307ef..58eb33949ef 100644
--- a/code/modules/paperwork/journal.dm
+++ b/code/modules/paperwork/journal.dm
@@ -25,8 +25,10 @@
 	. += "While the journal is open, use it in hand or use a pen on it to access the contents."
 
 /obj/item/journal/Destroy()
-	for(var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E as anything in indices)
-		qdel(E)
+	if (indices)
+		for(var/E in indices)
+			qdel(indices[E])
+	LAZYCLEARLIST(indices)
 	return ..()
 
 /obj/item/journal/update_icon()
@@ -70,20 +72,7 @@
 		if(!open)
 			to_chat(user, SPAN_WARNING("You can't put anything into \the [src] while it's closed."))
 			return
-		var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E
-		var/list/options = LAZYLEN(indices) ? indices + "New Index" : list("New Index")
-		var/selected_folder = tgui_input_list(user, "Select an index to insert this into.", "Index Selection", options)
-		if(isnull(selected_folder))
-			return
-		if(selected_folder == "New Index")
-			E = generate_index(user)
-		else
-			E = indices[selected_folder]
-		if(!E)
-			return
-		user.drop_from_inventory(attacking_item, E)
-		to_chat(user, SPAN_NOTICE("You put \the [attacking_item] into \the [E] index in \the [src]."))
-		update_icon()
+		insert_item(attacking_item, user)
 		return
 	if(attacking_item.ispen())
 		if(!open)
@@ -93,9 +82,27 @@
 			return
 		attack_self(user)
 
-/obj/item/journal/proc/generate_index(var/mob/user)
+/obj/item/journal/proc/insert_item(obj/item/attacking_item, mob/user, var/selected_folder)
+	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E
+	if(isnull(selected_folder))
+		var/list/options = LAZYLEN(indices) ? indices + "New Index" : list("New Index")
+		selected_folder = tgui_input_list(user, "Select an index to insert this into.", "Index Selection", options)
+	if(isnull(selected_folder))
+		return
+	if(selected_folder == "New Index")
+		var/index_name = sanitize(input(user, "Enter the index' name.", "Index Name") as text|null)
+		E = generate_index(index_name)
+	else
+		E = indices[selected_folder]
+	if(!E)
+		return
+
+	user.drop_from_inventory(attacking_item, E)
+	to_chat(user, SPAN_NOTICE("You put \the [attacking_item] into \the [E] index in \the [src]."))
+	update_icon()
+
+/obj/item/journal/proc/generate_index(var/index_name)
 	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E = new /obj/item/folder/embedded(src)
-	var/index_name = sanitize(input(user, "Enter the index' name.", "Index Name") as text|null)
 	if(!index_name)
 		qdel(E)
 		return null
@@ -110,6 +117,15 @@
 	LAZYREMOVE(indices, E.name)
 	update_icon()
 
+/obj/item/journal/filled
+
+/obj/item/journal/filled/Initialize()
+	. = ..()
+	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E = generate_index("Journal")
+	for(var/i = 1 to 5)
+		new /obj/item/paper(E)
+	update_icon()
+
 /obj/item/journal/notepad
 	name = "notepad"
 	desc = "A notepad for jotting down notes in meetings or interrogations."
@@ -141,9 +157,27 @@
 	if(closed_desc)
 		desc = open ? initial(desc) + closed_desc : initial(desc)
 
+/obj/item/journal/notepad/filled
+
+/obj/item/journal/notepad/filled/Initialize()
+	. = ..()
+	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E = generate_index("Notepad")
+	for(var/i = 1 to 5)
+		new /obj/item/paper(E)
+	update_icon()
+
 /obj/item/journal/notepad/scc
 	name = "scc notepad"
 	desc = "A notepad for jotting down notes in corporate meetings. This one is navy blue with a gold SCC logo on the front."
 	icon_state = "notepad_scc"
 	item_state = "notepad_scc"
 	color = COLOR_WHITE
+
+/obj/item/journal/notepad/scc/filled
+
+/obj/item/journal/notepad/scc/filled/Initialize()
+	. = ..()
+	var/obj/item/folder/embedded/E = generate_index("Notepad")
+	for(var/i = 1 to 5)
+		new /obj/item/paper(E)
+	update_icon()
diff --git a/html/changelogs/JournalPaper.yml b/html/changelogs/JournalPaper.yml
new file mode 100644
index 00000000000..f424aa67227
--- /dev/null
+++ b/html/changelogs/JournalPaper.yml
@@ -0,0 +1,6 @@
+author: TheGreyWolf
+
+delete-after: True
+
+changes:
+  - rscadd: "Journals and notepads in the loadout now spawns with 5 blank pieces of paper."