diff --git a/code/__DEFINES/dcs/signals/signals_atom/signals_atom_movable.dm b/code/__DEFINES/dcs/signals/signals_atom/signals_atom_movable.dm
index b836c811667..601f441c66d 100644
--- a/code/__DEFINES/dcs/signals/signals_atom/signals_atom_movable.dm
+++ b/code/__DEFINES/dcs/signals/signals_atom/signals_atom_movable.dm
@@ -23,9 +23,11 @@
 #define COMSIG_MOVABLE_DRIFT_BLOCK_INPUT "movable_drift_block_input"
 	#define DRIFT_ALLOW_INPUT (1<<0)
 ///from base of atom/movable/throw_impact(): (/atom/hit_atom, /datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
-#define COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT "movable_impact"
+#define COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT "movable_pre_impact"
 	#define COMPONENT_MOVABLE_IMPACT_FLIP_HITPUSH (1<<0) //if true, flip if the impact will push what it hits
 	#define COMPONENT_MOVABLE_IMPACT_NEVERMIND (1<<1) //return true if you destroyed whatever it was you're impacting and there won't be anything for hitby() to run on
+///from base of atom/movable/throw_impact() after confirming a hit: (/atom/hit_atom, /datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
+#define COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT "movable_impact"
 ///from base of mob/living/hitby(): (mob/living/target, hit_zone, blocked, datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
 #define COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT_ZONE "item_impact_zone"
 ///from /atom/movable/proc/buckle_mob(): (mob/living/M, force, check_loc, buckle_mob_flags)
diff --git a/code/datums/components/on_hit_effect.dm b/code/datums/components/on_hit_effect.dm
index 38610395248..50f31269f16 100644
--- a/code/datums/components/on_hit_effect.dm
+++ b/code/datums/components/on_hit_effect.dm
@@ -11,12 +11,15 @@
 	var/datum/callback/on_hit_callback
 	///callback optionally used for more checks
 	var/datum/callback/extra_check_callback
+	///optionally should we also apply the effect if thrown at something?
+	var/thrown_effect
 
-/datum/component/on_hit_effect/Initialize(on_hit_callback, extra_check_callback)
+/datum/component/on_hit_effect/Initialize(on_hit_callback, extra_check_callback, thrown_effect = FALSE)
 	src.on_hit_callback = on_hit_callback
 	src.extra_check_callback = extra_check_callback
 	if(!(ismachinery(parent) || isstructure(parent) || isgun(parent) || isprojectilespell(parent) || isitem(parent) || isanimal_or_basicmob(parent) || isprojectile(parent)))
 		return ELEMENT_INCOMPATIBLE
+	src.thrown_effect = thrown_effect
 
 /datum/component/on_hit_effect/Destroy(force, silent)
 	on_hit_callback = null
@@ -33,12 +36,16 @@
 	else if(isprojectile(parent))
 		RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_PROJECTILE_SELF_ON_HIT, PROC_REF(on_projectile_self_hit))
 
+	if(thrown_effect)
+		RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, PROC_REF(on_thrown_hit))
+
 /datum/component/on_hit_effect/UnregisterFromParent()
 	UnregisterSignal(parent, list(
 		COMSIG_PROJECTILE_ON_HIT,
 		COMSIG_ITEM_AFTERATTACK,
 		COMSIG_HOSTILE_POST_ATTACKINGTARGET,
 		COMSIG_PROJECTILE_SELF_ON_HIT,
+		COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT,
 	))
 
 /datum/component/on_hit_effect/proc/item_afterattack(obj/item/source, atom/target, mob/user, proximity_flag, click_parameters)
@@ -79,3 +86,9 @@
 		if(!extra_check_callback.Invoke(firer, target))
 			return
 	on_hit_callback.Invoke(source, firer, target, body_zone)
+
+/datum/component/on_hit_effect/proc/on_thrown_hit(datum/source, atom/hit_atom, datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
+	SIGNAL_HANDLER
+	if(extra_check_callback && !extra_check_callback.Invoke(source, hit_atom))
+		return
+	on_hit_callback.Invoke(source, source, hit_atom, null)
diff --git a/code/datums/components/tackle.dm b/code/datums/components/tackle.dm
index aefaa43d0b9..101425f54b2 100644
--- a/code/datums/components/tackle.dm
+++ b/code/datums/components/tackle.dm
@@ -54,11 +54,11 @@
 
 /datum/component/tackler/RegisterWithParent()
 	RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_MOB_CLICKON, PROC_REF(checkTackle))
-	RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, PROC_REF(sack))
+	RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT, PROC_REF(sack))
 	RegisterSignal(parent, COMSIG_MOVABLE_POST_THROW, PROC_REF(registerTackle))
 
 /datum/component/tackler/UnregisterFromParent()
-	UnregisterSignal(parent, list(COMSIG_MOB_CLICKON, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, COMSIG_MOVABLE_MOVED, COMSIG_MOVABLE_POST_THROW))
+	UnregisterSignal(parent, list(COMSIG_MOB_CLICKON, COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT, COMSIG_MOVABLE_MOVED, COMSIG_MOVABLE_POST_THROW))
 
 ///Store the thrownthing datum for later use
 /datum/component/tackler/proc/registerTackle(mob/living/carbon/user, datum/thrownthing/tackle)
diff --git a/code/datums/elements/venomous.dm b/code/datums/elements/venomous.dm
index b310e01bafc..ba4e088750c 100644
--- a/code/datums/elements/venomous.dm
+++ b/code/datums/elements/venomous.dm
@@ -8,14 +8,21 @@
 	argument_hash_start_idx = 2
 	///Path of the reagent added
 	var/poison_type
+	///Details of how we inject our venom
+	var/injection_flags
 	///How much of the reagent added. if it's a list, it'll pick a range with the range being list(lower_value, upper_value)
 	var/list/amount_added
 
-/datum/element/venomous/Attach(datum/target, poison_type, amount_added)
+/datum/element/venomous/Attach(datum/target, poison_type, amount_added, injection_flags = NONE, thrown_effect = FALSE)
 	. = ..()
 	src.poison_type = poison_type
 	src.amount_added = amount_added
-	target.AddComponent(/datum/component/on_hit_effect, CALLBACK(src, PROC_REF(do_venom)))
+	src.injection_flags = injection_flags
+	target.AddComponent(\
+		/datum/component/on_hit_effect,\
+		on_hit_callback = CALLBACK(src, PROC_REF(do_venom)),\
+		thrown_effect = thrown_effect,\
+	)
 
 /datum/element/venomous/Detach(datum/target)
 	qdel(target.GetComponent(/datum/component/on_hit_effect))
@@ -26,6 +33,8 @@
 		return
 	if(target.stat == DEAD)
 		return
+	if(isliving(element_owner) && !target.try_inject(element_owner, hit_zone, injection_flags))
+		return
 	var/final_amount_added
 	if(islist(amount_added))
 		final_amount_added = rand(amount_added[1], amount_added[2])
diff --git a/code/game/atoms_movable.dm b/code/game/atoms_movable.dm
index fe4b65950a6..eee03949a09 100644
--- a/code/game/atoms_movable.dm
+++ b/code/game/atoms_movable.dm
@@ -1242,7 +1242,7 @@
 /atom/movable/proc/throw_impact(atom/hit_atom, datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
 	set waitfor = FALSE
 	var/hitpush = TRUE
-	var/impact_signal = SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum)
+	var/impact_signal = SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum)
 	if(impact_signal & COMPONENT_MOVABLE_IMPACT_FLIP_HITPUSH)
 		hitpush = FALSE // hacky, tie this to something else or a proper workaround later
 
@@ -1250,6 +1250,7 @@
 		return // in case a signal interceptor broke or deleted the thing before we could process our hit
 	if(SEND_SIGNAL(hit_atom, COMSIG_ATOM_PREHITBY, src, throwingdatum) & COMSIG_HIT_PREVENTED)
 		return
+	SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum)
 	return hit_atom.hitby(src, throwingdatum=throwingdatum, hitpush=hitpush)
 
 /atom/movable/hitby(atom/movable/hitting_atom, skipcatch, hitpush = TRUE, blocked, datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
diff --git a/code/game/objects/items.dm b/code/game/objects/items.dm
index 950bead3829..9fb200b30a2 100644
--- a/code/game/objects/items.dm
+++ b/code/game/objects/items.dm
@@ -772,10 +772,12 @@
 /obj/item/throw_impact(atom/hit_atom, datum/thrownthing/throwingdatum)
 	if(QDELETED(hit_atom))
 		return
-	if(SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum) & COMPONENT_MOVABLE_IMPACT_NEVERMIND)
+	if(SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum) & COMPONENT_MOVABLE_IMPACT_NEVERMIND)
 		return
 	if(SEND_SIGNAL(hit_atom, COMSIG_ATOM_PREHITBY, src, throwingdatum) & COMSIG_HIT_PREVENTED)
 		return
+
+	SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, hit_atom, throwingdatum)
 	if(get_temperature() && isliving(hit_atom))
 		var/mob/living/L = hit_atom
 		L.ignite_mob()
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/clown/clown.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/clown/clown.dm
index 6c677e284dc..1a713ec04f8 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/clown/clown.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/clown/clown.dm
@@ -112,7 +112,12 @@
 	var/static/list/injection_range
 	if(!injection_range)
 		injection_range = string_numbers_list(list(1, 5))
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/consumable/laughter, injection_range)
+	AddElement(\
+		/datum/element/venomous,\
+		/datum/reagent/consumable/laughter,\
+		injection_range,\
+		injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK | INJECT_CHECK_IGNORE_SPECIES,\
+	)
 
 /mob/living/basic/clown/fleshclown
 	name = "Fleshclown"
@@ -288,7 +293,12 @@
 	var/static/list/injection_range
 	if(!injection_range)
 		injection_range = string_numbers_list(list(1, 5))
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/peaceborg/confuse, injection_range)
+	AddElement(\
+		/datum/element/venomous,\
+		/datum/reagent/peaceborg/confuse,\
+		injection_range,\
+		injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK | INJECT_CHECK_IGNORE_SPECIES,\
+	) // I don't really know what a clown is using to inject people but let's assume it doesn't need to penetrate at all
 
 /mob/living/basic/clown/clownhulk/destroyer
 	name = "The Destroyer"
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/bee/_bee.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/bee/_bee.dm
index dfaff9f4efc..66c0d129962 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/bee/_bee.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/bee/_bee.dm
@@ -192,11 +192,11 @@
 	if(!injection_range)
 		injection_range = string_numbers_list(list(1, 5))
 	if(beegent) //clear the old since this one is going to have some new value
-		RemoveElement(/datum/element/venomous, beegent.type, injection_range)
+		RemoveElement(/datum/element/venomous, beegent.type, injection_range, thrown_effect = TRUE)
 	beegent = toxin
 	name = "[initial(name)] ([toxin.name])"
 	real_name = name
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, beegent.type, injection_range)
+	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, beegent.type, injection_range, thrown_effect = TRUE)
 	generate_bee_visuals()
 
 /mob/living/basic/bee/queen
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/cow/cow_moonicorn.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/cow/cow_moonicorn.dm
index f499859e19e..b3af3c59a12 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/cow/cow_moonicorn.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/farm_animals/cow/cow_moonicorn.dm
@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@
 
 /mob/living/basic/cow/moonicorn/Initialize(mapload)
 	. = ..()
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/pax, 5)
+	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/pax, 5, injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK | INJECT_CHECK_IGNORE_SPECIES)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/movement_turf_changer, /turf/open/floor/grass/fairy)
 
 /mob/living/basic/cow/moonicorn/udder_component()
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/heretic/fire_shark.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/heretic/fire_shark.dm
index e1eba100845..c4106050bc2 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/heretic/fire_shark.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/heretic/fire_shark.dm
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
 	. = ..()
 	AddElement(/datum/element/death_gases, /datum/gas/plasma, 40)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/simple_flying)
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/phlogiston, 2)
+	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/phlogiston, 2, injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK)
 	AddComponent(/datum/component/swarming)
 	AddComponent(/datum/component/regenerator, outline_colour = COLOR_DARK_RED)
 	ADD_TRAIT(src, TRAIT_SPACEWALK, INNATE_TRAIT)
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/changeling/flesh_spider.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/changeling/flesh_spider.dm
index c16831f74a2..80e1768c90e 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/changeling/flesh_spider.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/changeling/flesh_spider.dm
@@ -47,7 +47,7 @@
 	ADD_TRAIT(src, TRAIT_WEB_SURFER, INNATE_TRAIT)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/cliff_walking)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/footstep, FOOTSTEP_MOB_CLAW)
-	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/toxin/hunterspider, 5)
+	AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, /datum/reagent/toxin/hunterspider, 5, injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/web_walker, /datum/movespeed_modifier/fast_web)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/nerfed_pulling, GLOB.typecache_general_bad_things_to_easily_move)
 	AddElement(/datum/element/prevent_attacking_of_types, GLOB.typecache_general_bad_hostile_attack_targets, "this tastes awful!")
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/giant_spider/giant_spiders.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/giant_spider/giant_spiders.dm
index 56f060ca3e2..d4264b4a126 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/giant_spider/giant_spiders.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/giant_spider/giant_spiders.dm
@@ -19,6 +19,7 @@
 	melee_damage_upper = 25
 	gold_core_spawnable = HOSTILE_SPAWN
 	ai_controller = /datum/ai_controller/basic_controller/giant_spider
+	bite_injection_flags = INJECT_CHECK_PENETRATE_THICK
 	/// Actions to grant on Initialize
 	var/list/innate_actions = null
 
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/spider.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/spider.dm
index 6cd6275c10d..b9938631ec5 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/spider.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/basic/space_fauna/spider/spider.dm
@@ -36,6 +36,8 @@
 	var/poison_type = /datum/reagent/toxin/hunterspider
 	/// How much of a reagent the mob injects on attack
 	var/poison_per_bite = 0
+	/// How tough is our bite?
+	var/bite_injection_flags = NONE
 	/// Multiplier to apply to web laying speed. Fractional numbers make it faster, because it's a multiplier.
 	var/web_speed = 1
 	/// Type of webbing ability to learn.
@@ -57,7 +59,7 @@
 	AddComponent(/datum/component/health_scaling_effects, min_health_slowdown = 1.5)
 
 	if(poison_per_bite)
-		AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, poison_type, poison_per_bite)
+		AddElement(/datum/element/venomous, poison_type, poison_per_bite, injection_flags = bite_injection_flags)
 
 	var/datum/action/cooldown/mob_cooldown/lay_web/webbing = new web_type(src)
 	webbing.webbing_time *= web_speed
diff --git a/code/modules/mod/modules/modules_ninja.dm b/code/modules/mod/modules/modules_ninja.dm
index 5ed1e44b709..f175dda0317 100644
--- a/code/modules/mod/modules/modules_ninja.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mod/modules/modules_ninja.dm
@@ -218,7 +218,7 @@
 
 /obj/item/mod/module/weapon_recall/proc/set_weapon(obj/item/weapon)
 	linked_weapon = weapon
-	RegisterSignal(linked_weapon, COMSIG_MOVABLE_IMPACT, PROC_REF(catch_weapon))
+	RegisterSignal(linked_weapon, COMSIG_MOVABLE_PRE_IMPACT, PROC_REF(catch_weapon))
 	RegisterSignal(linked_weapon, COMSIG_QDELETING, PROC_REF(deleted_weapon))
 
 /obj/item/mod/module/weapon_recall/proc/recall_weapon(caught = FALSE)