diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
index b9cac204669..d22afe3a745 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
@@ -244,6 +244,7 @@
 	flags_1 = NONE
 	w_class = WEIGHT_CLASS_HUGE
 	slot_flags = NONE
+	pinless = TRUE
 	ammo_type = /obj/item/ammo_casing/magic/tentacle
 	fire_sound = 'sound/effects/splat.ogg'
 	force = 0
diff --git a/code/modules/mining/lavaland/necropolis_chests.dm b/code/modules/mining/lavaland/necropolis_chests.dm
index 098018e4167..3f2d39c8c07 100644
--- a/code/modules/mining/lavaland/necropolis_chests.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mining/lavaland/necropolis_chests.dm
@@ -416,6 +416,7 @@
 	max_charges = 1
 	item_flags = NEEDS_PERMIT | NOBLUDGEON
 	sharpness = SHARP_POINTY
+	pinless = TRUE
 	force = 18
 
 /obj/item/gun/magic/hook/shoot_with_empty_chamber(mob/living/user)
diff --git a/code/modules/projectiles/gun.dm b/code/modules/projectiles/gun.dm
index 313fea71fdd..89a2a140d75 100644
--- a/code/modules/projectiles/gun.dm
+++ b/code/modules/projectiles/gun.dm
@@ -54,7 +54,8 @@
 	righthand_file = 'icons/mob/inhands/weapons/guns_righthand.dmi'
 
 	var/obj/item/firing_pin/pin = /obj/item/firing_pin //standard firing pin for most guns
-
+	/// True if a gun dosen't need a pin, mostly used for abstract guns like tentacles and meathooks
+	var/pinless = FALSE
 	var/can_flashlight = FALSE //if a flashlight can be added or removed if it already has one.
 	var/obj/item/flashlight/seclite/gun_light
 	var/datum/action/item_action/toggle_gunlight/alight
@@ -124,11 +125,12 @@
 
 /obj/item/gun/examine(mob/user)
 	. = ..()
-	if(pin)
-		. += "It has \a [pin] installed."
-		. += span_info("[pin] looks like it could be removed with some <b>tools</b>.")
-	else
-		. += "It doesn't have a <b>firing pin</b> installed, and won't fire."
+	if(!pinless)
+		if(pin)
+			. += "It has \a [pin] installed."
+			. += span_info("[pin] looks like it could be removed with some <b>tools</b>.")
+		else
+			. += "It doesn't have a <b>firing pin</b> installed, and won't fire."
 
 	if(gun_light)
 		. += "It has \a [gun_light] [can_flashlight ? "" : "permanently "]mounted on it."
@@ -276,6 +278,8 @@
 		return FALSE
 
 /obj/item/gun/proc/handle_pins(mob/living/user)
+	if(pinless)
+		return TRUE
 	if(pin)
 		if(pin.pin_auth(user) || (pin.obj_flags & EMAGGED))
 			return TRUE