diff --git a/code/modules/admin/verbs/adminhelp.dm b/code/modules/admin/verbs/adminhelp.dm
index 09e3cc4484c..93da6704f1f 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/verbs/adminhelp.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/verbs/adminhelp.dm
@@ -88,6 +88,23 @@ var/list/adminhelp_ignored_words = list("unknown","the","a","an","of","monkey","
 	msg = "<span class='adminnotice'><b><font color=red>HELP: </font>[key_name(src, 1)] (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[ref_mob]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayeropts=[ref_mob]'>PP</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=vars;Vars=[ref_mob]'>VV</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;subtlemessage=[ref_mob]'>SM</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservejump=[ref_mob]'>JMP</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;secretsadmin=check_antagonist'>CA</A>) [ai_found ? " (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminchecklaws=[ref_mob]'>CL</A>)" : ""]:</b> [msg]</span>"
 
 	//send this msg to all admins
+
+	for(var/client/X in admins)
+		if(X.prefs.toggles & SOUND_ADMINHELP)
+			X << 'sound/effects/adminhelp.ogg'
+		X << msg
+
+
+	//show it to the person adminhelping too
+	src << "<span class='adminnotice'>PM to-<b>Admins</b>: [original_msg]</span>"
+
+	//send it to irc if nobody is on and tell us how many were on
+	var/admin_number_present = send2irc_adminless_only(original_msg)
+	log_admin("HELP: [key_name(src)]: [original_msg] - heard by [admin_number_present] non-AFK admins who have +BAN.")
+	feedback_add_details("admin_verb","AH") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
+	return
+
+proc/send2irc_adminless_only(source, msg, requiredflags = R_BAN)
 	var/admin_number_total = 0		//Total number of admins
 	var/admin_number_afk = 0		//Holds the number of admins who are afk
 	var/admin_number_ignored = 0	//Holds the number of admins without +BAN (so admins who are not really admins)
@@ -95,30 +112,24 @@ var/list/adminhelp_ignored_words = list("unknown","the","a","an","of","monkey","
 	for(var/client/X in admins)
 		admin_number_total++;
 		var/invalid = 0
-		if(!check_rights_for(X, R_BAN))
+		if(requiredflags != 0 && !check_rights_for(X, requiredflags))
 			admin_number_ignored++
 			invalid = 1
 		if(X.is_afk())
 			admin_number_afk++
 			invalid = 1
+		if(X.holder.fakekey)
+			admin_number_ignored++
+			invalid = 1
 		if(invalid)
 			admin_number_decrease++
-		if(X.prefs.toggles & SOUND_ADMINHELP)
-			X << 'sound/effects/adminhelp.ogg'
-		X << msg
-
-	//show it to the person adminhelping too
-	src << "<span class='adminnotice'>PM to-<b>Admins</b>: [original_msg]</span>"
-
 	var/admin_number_present = admin_number_total - admin_number_decrease	//Number of admins who are neither afk nor invalid
-	log_admin("HELP: [key_name(src)]: [original_msg] - heard by [admin_number_present] non-AFK admins who have +BAN.")
 	if(admin_number_present <= 0)
 		if(!admin_number_afk && !admin_number_ignored)
-			send2irc(ckey, "[original_msg] - No admins online")
+			send2irc(source, "[msg] - No admins online")
 		else
-			send2irc(ckey, "[original_msg] - All admins AFK ([admin_number_afk]/[admin_number_total]) or skipped ([admin_number_ignored]/[admin_number_total])")
-	feedback_add_details("admin_verb","AH") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
-	return
+			send2irc(source, "[msg] - All admins AFK ([admin_number_afk]/[admin_number_total]) or skipped ([admin_number_ignored]/[admin_number_total])")
+	return admin_number_present
 
 proc/send2irc(msg,msg2)
 	if(config.useircbot)
diff --git a/code/modules/client/client procs.dm b/code/modules/client/client procs.dm
index 51ca6ecf703..4bc8b7f6504 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/client procs.dm	
+++ b/code/modules/client/client procs.dm	
@@ -90,7 +90,9 @@ var/list/external_rsc_urls
 var/next_external_rsc = 0
 #endif
 
+
 /client/New(TopicData)
+
 	TopicData = null							//Prevent calls to client.Topic from connect
 
 	if(connection != "seeker")					//Invalid connection type.
@@ -144,9 +146,8 @@ var/next_external_rsc = 0
 
 		if (config.notify_new_player_age >= 0)
 			message_admins("New user: [key_name_admin(src)] is connecting here for the first time.")
-
-		if (config.irc_first_connection_alert)
-			send2irc("New user", "[key_name(src)] is connecting for the first time!")
+			if (config.irc_first_connection_alert)
+				send2irc_adminless_only("New user", "[key_name(src)] is connecting for the first time!")
 
 		player_age = 0 // set it from -1 to 0 so the job selection code doesn't have a panic attack