diff --git a/code/__DEFINES/mobs.dm b/code/__DEFINES/mobs.dm
index 7bb1a46431a..9054d3a0670 100644
--- a/code/__DEFINES/mobs.dm
+++ b/code/__DEFINES/mobs.dm
@@ -262,4 +262,7 @@
 // /obj/item/bodypart on_mob_life() retval flag
 #define BODYPART_LIFE_UPDATE_HEALTH (1<<0)
 
+#define MAX_REVIVE_FIRE_DAMAGE 180
+#define MAX_REVIVE_BRUTE_DAMAGE 180
+
 #define HUMAN_FIRE_STACK_ICON_NUM	3
diff --git a/code/game/machinery/cloning.dm b/code/game/machinery/cloning.dm
index cc68d238c71..b33b19ff877 100644
--- a/code/game/machinery/cloning.dm
+++ b/code/game/machinery/cloning.dm
@@ -210,7 +210,7 @@
 
 		H.set_cloned_appearance()
 
-		H.suiciding = FALSE
+		H.set_suicide(FALSE)
 	attempting = FALSE
 	return TRUE
 
diff --git a/code/game/machinery/exp_cloner.dm b/code/game/machinery/exp_cloner.dm
index 2a222ed413b..683451945b0 100644
--- a/code/game/machinery/exp_cloner.dm
+++ b/code/game/machinery/exp_cloner.dm
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@
 
 		H.set_cloned_appearance()
 
-		H.suiciding = FALSE
+		H.set_suicide(FALSE)
 	attempting = FALSE
 	return TRUE
 
diff --git a/code/game/objects/items/defib.dm b/code/game/objects/items/defib.dm
index 641a51030d6..e379d62d027 100644
--- a/code/game/objects/items/defib.dm
+++ b/code/game/objects/items/defib.dm
@@ -437,8 +437,18 @@
 	do_help(H, user)
 
 /obj/item/twohanded/shockpaddles/proc/can_defib(mob/living/carbon/H)
+	if(H.suiciding || H.has_trait(TRAIT_NOCLONE) || H.hellbound)
+		return
+	if((world.time - H.timeofdeath) > tlimit)
+		return
+	if((H.getBruteLoss() >= MAX_REVIVE_BRUTE_DAMAGE) || (H.getFireLoss() >= MAX_REVIVE_FIRE_DAMAGE))
+		return
+	if(!H.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/heart))
+		return
 	var/obj/item/organ/brain/BR = H.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/brain)
-	return	(!H.suiciding && !(H.has_trait(TRAIT_NOCLONE)) && !H.hellbound && ((world.time - H.timeofdeath) < tlimit) && (H.getBruteLoss() < 180) && (H.getFireLoss() < 180) && H.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/heart) && BR && !BR.damaged_brain)
+	if(QDELETED(BR) || BR.damaged_brain || BR.suicided)
+		return
+	return TRUE
 
 /obj/item/twohanded/shockpaddles/proc/shock_touching(dmg, mob/H)
 	if(isliving(H.pulledby))		//CLEAR!
@@ -567,14 +577,19 @@
 					failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Body has decayed for too long. Further attempts futile.</span>"
 				else if (!H.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/heart))
 					failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Patient's heart is missing.</span>"
-				else if(total_burn >= 180 || total_brute >= 180)
+				else if(total_burn >= MAX_REVIVE_FIRE_DAMAGE || total_brute >= MAX_REVIVE_BRUTE_DAMAGE)
 					failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Severe tissue damage makes recovery of patient impossible via defibrillator. Further attempts futile.</span>"
 				else if(H.get_ghost())
 					failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - No activity in patient's brain. Further attempts may be successful.</span>"
 				else
 					var/obj/item/organ/brain/BR = H.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/brain)
-					if(!BR || BR.damaged_brain)
-						failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Patient's brain is missing or damaged beyond point of no return. Further attempts futile.</span>"
+					if(BR)
+						if(BR.damaged_brain)
+							failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Patient's brain damaged beyond point of no return. Further attempts futile.</span>"
+						if(BR.suicided || BR.brainmob?.suiciding)
+							failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - No intelligence pattern can be detected in patient's brain. Further attempts futile.</span>"
+					else
+						failed = "<span class='warning'>[req_defib ? "[defib]" : "[src]"] buzzes: Resuscitation failed - Patient's brain is missing. Further attempts futile.</span>"
 
 				if(failed)
 					user.visible_message(failed)
diff --git a/code/game/objects/items/robot/robot_parts.dm b/code/game/objects/items/robot/robot_parts.dm
index 0e11522b6b3..b959f760b6d 100644
--- a/code/game/objects/items/robot/robot_parts.dm
+++ b/code/game/objects/items/robot/robot_parts.dm
@@ -254,7 +254,7 @@
 				to_chat(user, "<span class='warning'>The MMI indicates that their mind is currently inactive; it might change!</span>")
 				return
 
-			if(BM.stat == DEAD || (M.brain && M.brain.damaged_brain))
+			if(BM.stat == DEAD || BM.suiciding || (M.brain && (M.brain.damaged_brain || M.brain.suicided)))
 				to_chat(user, "<span class='warning'>Sticking a dead brain into the frame would sort of defeat the purpose!</span>")
 				return
 
diff --git a/code/modules/client/verbs/suicide.dm b/code/modules/client/verbs/suicide.dm
index 14f6f372031..24b9bd6811a 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/verbs/suicide.dm
+++ b/code/modules/client/verbs/suicide.dm
@@ -1,5 +1,29 @@
 /mob/var/suiciding = 0
 
+/mob/proc/set_suicide(suicide_state)
+	suiciding = suicide_state
+
+/mob/living/carbon/set_suicide(suicide_state) //you thought that box trick was pretty clever, didn't you? well now hardmode is on, boyo.
+	. = ..()
+	var/obj/item/organ/brain/B = getorganslot(ORGAN_SLOT_BRAIN)
+	if(B)
+		B.suicided = suicide_state
+
+/mob/living/silicon/robot/set_suicide(suicide_state)
+	. = ..()
+	if(mmi)
+		if(mmi.brain)
+			mmi.brain.suicided = suicide_state
+		if(mmi.brainmob)
+			mmi.brainmob.suiciding = suicide_state
+
+/mob/living/carbon/human/virtual_reality/set_suicide(suicide_state)
+	return
+
+/mob/living/carbon/human/virtual_reality/canSuicide()
+	to_chat(src, "<span class='warning'>I'm sorry [first_name()], I'm afraid you can't do that.</span>")
+	return
+
 /mob/living/carbon/human/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
 	if(!canSuicide())
@@ -11,14 +35,14 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = TRUE
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		var/obj/item/held_item = get_active_held_item()
 		if(held_item)
 			var/damagetype = held_item.suicide_act(src)
 			if(damagetype)
 				if(damagetype & SHAME)
 					adjustStaminaLoss(200)
-					suiciding = FALSE
+					set_suicide(FALSE)
 					SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_ADD_MOOD_EVENT, "shameful_suicide", /datum/mood_event/shameful_suicide)
 					return
 
@@ -78,7 +102,7 @@
 		suicide_log()
 
 		adjustOxyLoss(max(200 - getToxLoss() - getFireLoss() - getBruteLoss() - getOxyLoss(), 0))
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/brain/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -88,13 +112,13 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src]'s brain is growing dull and lifeless. [p_they(TRUE)] look[p_s()] like [p_theyve()] lost the will to live.</span>", \
 						"<span class='userdanger'>[src]'s brain is growing dull and lifeless. [p_they(TRUE)] look[p_s()] like [p_theyve()] lost the will to live.</span>")
 
 		suicide_log()
 
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/carbon/monkey/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -104,14 +128,14 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src] is attempting to bite [p_their()] tongue. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>", \
 				"<span class='userdanger'>[src] is attempting to bite [p_their()] tongue. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>")
 
 		suicide_log()
 
 		adjustOxyLoss(max(200- getToxLoss() - getFireLoss() - getBruteLoss() - getOxyLoss(), 0))
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/silicon/ai/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -121,7 +145,7 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src] is powering down. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>", \
 				"<span class='userdanger'>[src] is powering down. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>")
 
@@ -129,7 +153,7 @@
 
 		//put em at -175
 		adjustOxyLoss(max(maxHealth * 2 - getToxLoss() - getFireLoss() - getBruteLoss() - getOxyLoss(), 0))
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/silicon/robot/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -139,7 +163,7 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src] is powering down. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>", \
 				"<span class='userdanger'>[src] is powering down. It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>")
 
@@ -147,7 +171,7 @@
 
 		//put em at -175
 		adjustOxyLoss(max(maxHealth * 2 - getToxLoss() - getFireLoss() - getBruteLoss() - getOxyLoss(), 0))
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/silicon/pai/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -159,7 +183,7 @@
 
 		suicide_log()
 
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 	else
 		to_chat(src, "Aborting suicide attempt.")
 
@@ -171,7 +195,7 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src] is thrashing wildly! It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>", \
 				"<span class='userdanger'>[src] is thrashing wildly! It looks like [p_theyre()] trying to commit suicide.</span>", \
 				"<span class='italics'>You hear thrashing.</span>")
@@ -180,7 +204,7 @@
 
 		//put em at -175
 		adjustOxyLoss(max(200 - getFireLoss() - getBruteLoss() - getOxyLoss(), 0))
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/simple_animal/verb/suicide()
 	set hidden = 1
@@ -190,13 +214,13 @@
 	if(!canSuicide())
 		return
 	if(confirm == "Yes")
-		suiciding = 1
+		set_suicide(TRUE)
 		visible_message("<span class='danger'>[src] begins to fall down. It looks like [p_theyve()] lost the will to live.</span>", \
 						"<span class='userdanger'>[src] begins to fall down. It looks like [p_theyve()] lost the will to live.</span>")
 
 		suicide_log()
 
-		death(0)
+		death(FALSE)
 
 /mob/living/proc/suicide_log()
 	log_game("[key_name(src)] committed suicide at [AREACOORD(src)] as [src.type].")
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/dead/observer/observer.dm b/code/modules/mob/dead/observer/observer.dm
index d03846d6523..ed9fd55a75e 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/dead/observer/observer.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/dead/observer/observer.dm
@@ -90,7 +90,7 @@ GLOBAL_VAR_INIT(observer_default_invisibility, INVISIBILITY_OBSERVER)
 
 		mind = body.mind	//we don't transfer the mind but we keep a reference to it.
 
-		suiciding = body.suiciding // Transfer whether they committed suicide.
+		set_suicide(body.suiciding) // Transfer whether they committed suicide.
 
 		if(ishuman(body))
 			var/mob/living/carbon/human/body_human = body
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/MMI.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/MMI.dm
index bacdc4524bd..32fb61236aa 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/MMI.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/MMI.dm
@@ -57,7 +57,7 @@
 		newbrain.brainmob = null
 		brainmob.forceMove(src)
 		brainmob.container = src
-		if(!newbrain.damaged_brain) // the brain organ hasn't been beaten to death.
+		if(!newbrain.damaged_brain && !newbrain.suicided && !brainmob.suiciding) // the brain organ hasn't been beaten to death, nor was from a suicider.
 			brainmob.stat = CONSCIOUS //we manually revive the brain mob
 			GLOB.dead_mob_list -= brainmob
 			GLOB.alive_mob_list += brainmob
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/brain_item.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/brain_item.dm
index 7d1dc7d1d2c..35f45a49214 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/brain_item.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/brain_item.dm
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@
 	slot = ORGAN_SLOT_BRAIN
 	vital = TRUE
 	attack_verb = list("attacked", "slapped", "whacked")
+	var/suicided = FALSE
 	var/mob/living/brain/brainmob = null
 	var/damaged_brain = FALSE //whether the brain organ is damaged.
 	var/decoy_override = FALSE	//I apologize to the security players, and myself, who abused this, but this is going to go.
@@ -70,6 +71,7 @@
 	brainmob.name = L.real_name
 	brainmob.real_name = L.real_name
 	brainmob.timeofhostdeath = L.timeofdeath
+	brainmob.suiciding = suicided
 	if(L.has_dna())
 		var/mob/living/carbon/C = L
 		if(!brainmob.stored_dna)
@@ -92,7 +94,9 @@
 /obj/item/organ/brain/examine(mob/user)
 	..()
 
-	if(brainmob)
+	if(suicided)
+		to_chat(user, "It's started turning slightly grey. They must not have been able to handle the stress of it all.")
+	else if(brainmob)
 		if(brainmob.client)
 			if(brainmob.health <= HEALTH_THRESHOLD_DEAD)
 				to_chat(user, "It's lifeless and severely damaged.")
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/life.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/life.dm
index 786bb0b55c3..6b3ec010b7b 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/brain/life.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/brain/life.dm
@@ -20,7 +20,7 @@
 		else if(istype(loc, /obj/item/organ/brain))
 			BR = loc
 		if(BR)
-			BR.damaged_brain = 1 //beaten to a pulp
+			BR.damaged_brain = TRUE //beaten to a pulp
 
 /mob/living/brain/proc/handle_emp_damage()
 	if(emp_damage)
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/living.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/living.dm
index 3308f0fbbd4..5519c721637 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/living.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/living.dm
@@ -436,7 +436,7 @@
 	if(stat == DEAD && can_be_revived()) //in some cases you can't revive (e.g. no brain)
 		GLOB.dead_mob_list -= src
 		GLOB.alive_mob_list += src
-		suiciding = 0
+		set_suicide(FALSE)
 		stat = UNCONSCIOUS //the mob starts unconscious,
 		blind_eyes(1)
 		updatehealth() //then we check if the mob should wake up.
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/transform_procs.dm b/code/modules/mob/transform_procs.dm
index 68c7ea02ae3..87007ae3fed 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/transform_procs.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/transform_procs.dm
@@ -54,7 +54,7 @@
 		O.dna.struc_enzymes = R.set_se(O.dna.struc_enzymes, on=1)//we don't want to keep the race block inactive
 
 	if(suiciding)
-		O.suiciding = suiciding
+		O.set_suicide(suiciding)
 	if(hellbound)
 		O.hellbound = hellbound
 	O.a_intent = INTENT_HARM
@@ -211,7 +211,7 @@
 		O.domutcheck()
 
 	if(suiciding)
-		O.suiciding = suiciding
+		O.set_suicide(suiciding)
 	if(hellbound)
 		O.hellbound = hellbound
 
diff --git a/code/modules/research/nanites/nanite_programs/healing.dm b/code/modules/research/nanites/nanite_programs/healing.dm
index df32a5d127e..39dafdb0bc1 100644
--- a/code/modules/research/nanites/nanite_programs/healing.dm
+++ b/code/modules/research/nanites/nanite_programs/healing.dm
@@ -219,12 +219,12 @@
 		return FALSE
 	if((world.time - C.timeofdeath) > 1800) //too late
 		return FALSE
-	if((C.getBruteLoss() > 180) || (C.getFireLoss() > 180) || !C.can_be_revived()) //too damaged
+	if((C.getBruteLoss() >= MAX_REVIVE_BRUTE_DAMAGE) || (C.getFireLoss() >= MAX_REVIVE_FIRE_DAMAGE) || !C.can_be_revived()) //too damaged
 		return FALSE
 	if(!C.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/heart)) //what are we even shocking
 		return FALSE
 	var/obj/item/organ/brain/BR = C.getorgan(/obj/item/organ/brain)
-	if(QDELETED(BR) || BR.damaged_brain)
+	if(QDELETED(BR) || BR.damaged_brain || BR.suicided)
 		return FALSE
 	if(C.get_ghost())
 		return FALSE