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## About The Pull Request HackMD: https://hackmd.io/@Ssalty/r1wjAgSxll Ammo removals: IHDF Rubber (non-.38, non-shotgun, nukie ones stay since it'd require overrides. They were never purchasable to begin with.) Stardust Magnum Express .460 Rowland .457 Government MCR magazines .40 Sol Hornet's nest Gun removals: MCR's .457 revolver M4A5 .460 Rowland revolver CCK GP-7 R10 revolver Guns made inaccessible: NRI guns (including derringer, bobr, plasmas, Miecz) Sol35 (Tarkon, sol ERT, gateway, adminspawn) Sol40 (Tarkon, sol ERT, gateway, adminspawn) Trappiste caliber (wespe, some already adminspawn weapons) Turret adjustments: Twin Fang - 4.6x30mm, 2 Second burst delay (40 dmg every 2 seconds vs 30 dmg every 1.5 seconds (old)) Stinger - 4.6x30mm instead of .35, matching damage Colonist - .45 added instead of sol40, matching damage Hoplite - Same as above Armoury: Armoury spawned MCRs replaced with laser guns and energy guns SMG's and rifles with WT If there would be a case with two separate spawns of a WT, the other is gone. Breaching shell boxes do not spawn in the armoury (they were capable of 1 shotting a dark mauler I wish I was kidding) Lathe: 9mm stendo's, AP, HP, INC magazines not availible for print - the 9mm murphy magazine is. It fits in 9mm firing turrets and the murphy. ## Why It's Good For The Game Give me like a couple days and I'll fill this out. I doubt anyone who is already pro-skyrat-gun will change their mind but it's good to rationalize the decision regardless. Find this out as in lay it out on paper. EDIT 1: Adding the first part # Foreword This PR is a *draft*. That means a lot of things are subject to change, a lot of things can be disorganized and a lot of things will be done unoptimally. Going forwards, do keep in mind, the decision-making process behind "remove entirely" and "virtually remove" will not be dependant on us going forwards, as the decision on this matter requires maintainer input more than any other. Next, the delay. I simply am not a machine, neither are other people onboard this project. With different timezones, it was important to find what isn't working so I can relay it to people in working hours. Without further ado, ## The case of the ammo types and workbench The ammunitions workbench is a machine that provides ammunition into clips, refilling them. The ammunition workbench is also the source of a multitude of alternate ammunition types. It has with itself brought several issues that at least would warrant a rework or heavy adjustments: 1. Contraband ammunitions. There is no real reason that the entire security department, or even a single crewmember should be accessing phasic weapons in the form of printable ammotypes. The argument of "the pipegun having it" doesn't do it favours, as the way you get it is an 8% chance on crafting a junk round for a bulky gun and the only way to find out if you actually have it is checking each shell individually with a bandolier. 2. Complimentary with the removals. Most use cases for this machine are refilling the magazines you can order or get alongside your weapons. This collides with the protolathe, which sources most of our upstream-based ammunition instead. With the skyrat weapons gone, this machine becomes redundant. You may claim that it's still useful in saving on materials, where you would be right! However is it worth to have and maintain an entirely separate structure, with it's own mechanics, map placements, etc. to get a benefit equal to 1.6x more bang for the buck? At the end of the day, splitting ways of getting ammo across a single room for something so miniscule compared to the bloat it adds is pointless. # The weapons, why should they go, one by one. ### RomTech Flechette rifles Compared to a standard laser gun, which is in all means our baseline of ranged damage in ss13 - being the default armoury weapon, the default laser for turrets and default laser for mobs. Better yet, let's compare it to that and the default ballistic option that we have from TG. What turns out, is that not only is the romtech carbine faster at killing than the laser, but also rivals the WT with a split second of difference in ttk in the favour of the romtech. Let's assume it's human error and the WT is better TTK wise, just as an experiment. Clearly, there must be a tradeoff, somewhere, right? One that balances them all out to be equal weapons in the grand scale of things, contemporaries! Well, no, not really. Not even close. The carbine can be folded to fit in bags, that's one thing. The carbine has more ammo, that's another thing. Bursts are harder to dodge than series shots since they cover more perpendicular ground when attempting to dodge projectiles, as is staple for ss13 combat. Burst weapons are advantageous in applying more damage quicker, as you can see on the videos - and initial damage, an alpha strike, applies movement slowdown, ensuring future projectiles connect easier and the target cannot run. It might be a coincidence that the only /tg/ derived weapons that fire burst are adminspawn ERT or the Nukie weapons. But it doesn't end here, no, the RomTech's ammunition alone would warrant a complete overhaul if not a removal. **steel ball** <p> Takes 9 shots to stamcrit, deals mixed damage - further increasing the amount of slowdown applied, and not only is it MUCH faster at stamcritting than a disabler is, it also leaves the target with 70 damage. Over half their healthbar. Severely overtuned with little counterplay availible, alpha strike monster that is better at disabling than disablers and better at stopping people dead in their tracks than rifles, and if you look at our anti-stun, we have less than ever on antagonists with Adrenal implants gone, Adreanaline Glands reworked, etc, etc... </p> **Penetrator** NT's answer to armour! The penetrator has 60 AP and otherwise the same damage as the AP WT rifle. Meaning it's a straight upgrade. Meaning this weapon invalidates it's predecessor whilst being orderable roundstart, and not only that, but it can fully ignore elite modsuits on nukeops. Not every mechanic has to have a counter, there's no direct counter to someone healing after a fight, there is no direct counter to having multiple shots, and there shouldn't be a full nullification of armour for such a low cost. There shouldn't be one for a crew that can mass produce these, ever. **Magnesium** Arguably fine, 12 firestacks per shot is still quite insane for a lower chance of friendly fire compared to original incediary hot turfs, **Ripper** Steel ball, but even worse. They don't embed a single time, ***this embeds every time***. It takes several seconds to take out. Actually, let's compare this gun's bullets to ninja stars. - 2 times the embed chance at 200 vs 100 - 8 times the jostle chance at 80 vs 10 - Comparable fall chance, at 1 vs 0 - More pain stam pct, at 0.9 vs 0.8, meaning more stamina damage - More pain chance, at 70 vs 15 - Less pain modifier, at 2 vs 5 - Takes longer to take out, 5 seconds vs 3 - Jostling pain is the same ### One problem. There's three of those fired per burst, cannot be caught either. And the armour pen is the same. in conclusion, every aspect of this gun is unhealthy for the game, from it's gimmick, to it's execution, to it's stats, to it's ammo, to it's consistency, to it's firing mode, to it being able to be currently worn on sec belts along disablers - up to 4, if I remember correct. No reworks. It has to go. ## Proof Of Testing <details> <summary>Screenshots/Videos</summary> </details> ## Changelog 🆑 del: Removed breaching slugs from crew (not to be confused with frangible. These ones 1 shot mechs) del: Removed MCR, .457 revolver, .460 Rowland revolver, GP-7, R10 revolver, M4A5, and their associated ammo types. del: Removed ammunition types: IHDF, rubber variants excluding .38/shotgun/nukie, stardust, magnum, express, hornet's nest del: Made most NRI guns (Miecz, plasma pistol, plasma thrower, bobr, derringer) and Sol 35/40 (Tarkon, ERT, gateway, adminspawn) inaccessible to crew, kept for ERT/Gateway/Flavour/Admin reasons balance: Turrets which use a removed calibre have been adjusted into either that of the WT's, Ceres (still printable) or 9mm. balance: WT's replace missing sindanos across armouries, laser guns and eguns replace the missing MCR's. /🆑 --------- Co-authored-by: Artur Lang <24881678+Arturlang@users.noreply.github.com>
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_ADVANCED_VISION "adv_vision"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_ANDROID_ORGANS "android_organs"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_ANDROID_CHASSIS "android_chassis"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_BORG_SHAPESHIFTER "borg_shapeshifter"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CARGO_TELEPORTER "cargoteleporter"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_COLONY_APPLIANCES "colony_fabricator_appliances"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_COLONY_FLATPACKS "colony_fabricator_flatpacks"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_COLONY_STRUCTURES "colony_fabricator_structures"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_COLONY_TOOLS "colony_fabricator_tools"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_COMP_INTERACTION_COMPONENT "comp_advanced_interacts"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CONVEYOR_SORTER "conveyor_sorter"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CONVEYOR_SORTER_IMPROVED "conveyor_sorter_improved"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CYBERNETICS_DIGITIGRADE "digitigrade_cyber"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CYBERNETICS_DIGITIGRADE_ADVANCED "adv_digitigrade_cyber"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CYBERNETICS_TESHARI "teshari_cyber"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_CYBERNETICS_TESHARI_ADVANCED "adv_teshari_cyber"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_MUTANT_TECH "mutant_tech"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_NIGHT_VISION_IMPLANTS "nv_implants"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_ROBOTIC_SURGERY "improved_robotic_surgery"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_ROBOTIC_SURGERY_ADVANCED "advanced_robotic_surgery"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_SCYTHE_1 "t1scythe"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_SCYTHE_2 "t2scythe"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_TARKON "tarkontech"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_TARKON_DEFENSE "tarkondefense"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_XENOARCH_ADVANCED "adv_xenoarch"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_XENOARCH_BASIC "basic_xenoarch"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_XENOARCH_MACHINES "xenoarch_machines"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_XENOARCH_STORAGE "xenoarch_storage"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_AYY_CYBER_IMPLANTS "ayy_cyber_implants"
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#define TECHWEB_NODE_POWERATOR "powerator"
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