diff --git a/code/__defines/mobs.dm b/code/__defines/mobs.dm
index d9a5f7a847..df7a90632c 100644
--- a/code/__defines/mobs.dm
+++ b/code/__defines/mobs.dm
@@ -447,3 +447,7 @@
 #define DEATHGASP_NO_MESSAGE "no message"
 
 #define RESIST_COOLDOWN		2 SECONDS
+
+#define VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_PLURAL 1		// Used by get_visible_gender to return PLURAL
+#define VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_IDENTIFYING 2	// Used by get_visible_gender to return the mob's identifying gender
+#define VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_BIOLOGICAL 3	// Used by get_visible_gender to return the mob's biological gender
diff --git a/code/game/atoms.dm b/code/game/atoms.dm
index d56186f5b0..5ef2fd6818 100644
--- a/code/game/atoms.dm
+++ b/code/game/atoms.dm
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 
 	// Overlays
 	///Our local copy of (non-priority) overlays without byond magic. Use procs in SSoverlays to manipulate
-	var/list/our_overlays	
+	var/list/our_overlays
 	///Overlays that should remain on top and not normally removed when using cut_overlay functions, like c4.
 	var/list/priority_overlays
 	///vis overlays managed by SSvis_overlays to automaticaly turn them like other overlays
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@
 
 	///Our local copy of filter data so we can add/remove it
 	var/list/filter_data
-	
+
 	//Detective Work, used for the duplicate data points kept in the scanners
 	var/list/original_atom
 	// Track if we are already had initialize() called to prevent double-initialization.
@@ -681,7 +681,7 @@
 	if(!isnull(.))
 		datum_flags |= DF_VAR_EDITED
 		return
-		
+
 	. = ..()
 
 /atom/proc/atom_say(message)
@@ -716,7 +716,7 @@
 	. = ..()
 	SEND_SIGNAL(src, COMSIG_ATOM_EXITED, AM, new_loc)
 
-/atom/proc/get_visible_gender()
+/atom/proc/get_visible_gender(mob/user, force)
 	return gender
 
 /atom/proc/interact(mob/user)
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
index 14e2f452ac..65560c651f 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
@@ -76,22 +76,12 @@
 		BP_L_LEG = skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPLEGS,
 		BP_R_LEG = skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPLEGS)
 
-	var/datum/gender/T = gender_datums[get_visible_gender()]
+	var/gender_hidden = (skip_gear & EXAMINE_SKIPJUMPSUIT) && (skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPFACE)
+	var/gender_key = get_visible_gender(user, gender_hidden)
 
-	if((skip_gear & EXAMINE_SKIPJUMPSUIT) && (skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPFACE)) //big suits/masks/helmets make it hard to tell their gender
-		T = gender_datums[PLURAL]
-
-	else if(species && species.ambiguous_genders)
-		if(ishuman(user))
-			var/mob/living/carbon/human/H = user
-			if(H.species && !istype(species, H.species))
-				T = gender_datums[PLURAL]// Species with ambiguous_genders will not show their true gender upon examine if the examiner is not also the same species.
-		if(!(issilicon(user) || isobserver(user))) // Ghosts and borgs are all knowing
-			T = gender_datums[PLURAL]
-
-	if(!T)
-		// Just in case someone VVs the gender to something strange. It'll runtime anyway when it hits usages, better to CRASH() now with a helpful message.
-		CRASH("Gender datum was null; key was '[((skip_gear & EXAMINE_SKIPJUMPSUIT) && (skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPFACE)) ? PLURAL : gender]'")
+	var/datum/gender/T = gender_datums[gender_key]
+	if (!T)
+		CRASH({"Null gender datum on examine: mob="[src]",hidden="[gender_hidden]",key="[gender_key]",bio="[gender]",id="[identifying_gender]""})
 
 	var/name_ender = ""
 	if(!((skip_gear & EXAMINE_SKIPJUMPSUIT) && (skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPFACE)))
@@ -144,7 +134,7 @@
 				LAZYADD(pocket_msg, r_store_message)
 		if(LAZYLEN(pocket_msg))
 			tie_msg += " Near the waist it has [english_list(pocket_msg)]."
-		
+
 		if(w_uniform.blood_DNA)
 			msg += "<span class='warning'>[T.He] [T.is] wearing [bicon(w_uniform)] [w_uniform.gender==PLURAL?"some":"a"] [(w_uniform.blood_color != SYNTH_BLOOD_COLOUR) ? "blood" : "oil"]-stained [w_uniform.name]![tie_msg]</span>"
 		else
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
index 52e2b7c5ac..25ac56affc 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
@@ -855,13 +855,25 @@
 		remoteview_target = null
 		reset_view(0)
 
-/mob/living/carbon/human/get_visible_gender()
-	if(wear_suit && wear_suit.flags_inv & HIDEJUMPSUIT && ((head && head.flags_inv & HIDEMASK) || wear_mask))
-		return PLURAL //plural is the gender-neutral default
-	if(species)
-		if(species.ambiguous_genders)
-			return PLURAL // regardless of what you're wearing, your gender can't be figured out
-	return get_gender()
+/mob/living/carbon/human/get_visible_gender(mob/user, force)
+	switch(force)
+		if(VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_PLURAL)
+			return PLURAL
+		if(VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_IDENTIFYING)
+			return get_gender()
+		if(VISIBLE_GENDER_FORCE_BIOLOGICAL)
+			return gender
+		else
+			if((wear_mask || (head?.flags_inv & HIDEMASK)) && (wear_suit?.flags_inv & HIDEJUMPSUIT))
+				return PLURAL
+			if(species?.ambiguous_genders && user)
+				if(ishuman(user))
+					var/mob/living/carbon/human/human = user
+					if(!istype(human.species, species))
+						return PLURAL
+				else if(!isobserver(user) && !issilicon(user))
+					return PLURAL
+			return get_gender()
 
 /mob/living/carbon/human/proc/increase_germ_level(n)
 	if(gloves)