diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
index 9a5244888f5..a0edca65295 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/examine.dm
@@ -80,17 +80,24 @@
 	var/skipface = (wear_mask && (wear_mask.inv_hide_flags & HIDEFACE)) || (head && (head.inv_hide_flags & HIDEFACE))
 
 	var/datum/gender/T = GLOB.gender_datums[get_visible_gender()]
+	var/gender_obscured_by_species = FALSE // for different species examine
 
 	if((skip_gear & EXAMINE_SKIPJUMPSUIT) && (skip_body & EXAMINE_SKIPFACE)) //big suits/masks/helmets make it hard to tell their gender
 		T = GLOB.gender_datums[PLURAL]
 
 	else if(species && species.ambiguous_genders)
-		if(ishuman(user))
+		// ghosts are omnipotent and omniscient. borgs are logical and precise. whatever. they identify anyone's gender
+		if(issilicon(user) || isobserver(user))
+		else if(ishuman(user))
 			var/mob/living/carbon/human/H = user
+			// only obscure gender if examiner is a different species
 			if(H.species && !istype(species, H.species))
-				T = GLOB.gender_datums[PLURAL]// Species with ambiguous_genders will not show their true gender upon examine if the examiner is not also the same species.
-		if(!(issilicon(user) || isobserver(user))) // Ghosts and borgs are all knowing
+				T = GLOB.gender_datums[PLURAL]
+				gender_obscured_by_species = TRUE
+		else
+			// non-human, non-silicon, non-observer examining
 			T = GLOB.gender_datums[PLURAL]
+			gender_obscured_by_species = TRUE
 
 	//! Just in case someone VVs the gender to something strange.
 	//! It'll runtime anyway when it hits usages, better to CRASH() now with a helpful message.
@@ -481,6 +488,10 @@
 
 	. += applying_pressure
 
+	// Add message if gender is obscured by species differences
+	if(gender_obscured_by_species)
+		. += SPAN_INFO("<i>[T.He] [T.is] a different species. You don't have the scientific knowledge to figure out [T.his] exact gender...</i>")
+
 	var/show_descs = show_descriptors_to(user)
 	if(show_descs)
 		. += SPAN_NOTICE("[jointext(show_descs, "\n")]")
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
index c983972408e..28991a2cb2c 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/carbon/human/human.dm
@@ -869,9 +869,7 @@
 /mob/living/carbon/human/get_visible_gender()
 	if(wear_suit && wear_suit.inv_hide_flags & HIDEJUMPSUIT && ((head && head.inv_hide_flags & HIDEMASK) || wear_mask))
 		return PLURAL //plural is the gender-neutral default
-	if(species)
-		if(species.ambiguous_genders)
-			return PLURAL // regardless of what you're wearing, your gender can't be figured out
+	//! attention! ambiguous_genders is now handled contextually in examine.dm based on who is examining
 	return get_gender()
 
 /mob/living/carbon/human/proc/increase_germ_level(n)