diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
index ef2cc344cdf..3260015f64b 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
@@ -334,6 +334,10 @@ proc/get_radio_key_from_channel(var/channel)
 
 	whisper_say(message, speaking)
 
+// for weird circumstances where you're inside an atom that is also you, like pai's
+/mob/living/proc/get_whisper_loc()
+	return src
+
 /mob/living/proc/whisper_say(var/message, var/datum/language/speaking = null, var/alt_name="", var/verb="whispers")
 	if(client)
 		if(client.prefs.muted & MUTE_IC)
@@ -382,7 +386,8 @@ proc/get_radio_key_from_channel(var/channel)
 	if(!message || message=="")
 		return
 
-	var/list/listening = hearers(message_range, src)
+	var/atom/whisper_loc = get_whisper_loc()
+	var/list/listening = hearers(message_range, whisper_loc)
 	listening |= src
 
 	//ghosts
@@ -399,16 +404,16 @@ proc/get_radio_key_from_channel(var/channel)
 				listening += C
 
 	//pass on the message to objects that can hear us.
-	for(var/obj/O in view(message_range, src))
+	for(var/obj/O in view(message_range, whisper_loc))
 		spawn(0)
 			if(O)
 				O.hear_talk(src, message, verb, speaking)
 
-	var/list/eavesdropping = hearers(eavesdropping_range, src)
+	var/list/eavesdropping = hearers(eavesdropping_range, whisper_loc)
 	eavesdropping -= src
 	eavesdropping -= listening
 
-	var/list/watching = hearers(watching_range, src)
+	var/list/watching = hearers(watching_range, whisper_loc)
 	watching  -= src
 	watching  -= listening
 	watching  -= eavesdropping
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/say.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/say.dm
index 2c7bc900d68..1acb470773a 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/say.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/say.dm
@@ -2,4 +2,12 @@
 	if(silence_time)
 		to_chat(src, "<font color=green>Communication circuits remain uninitialized.</font>")
 	else
-		..(msg)
\ No newline at end of file
+		..(msg)
+
+/mob/living/silicon/pai/get_whisper_loc()
+	if(loc == card)			// currently in its card?
+		if(istype(card.loc, /mob/living))
+			return card.loc	// allow a pai being held or in pocket to whisper
+		else
+			return card		// allow a pai in its card to whisper
+	return ..()
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/say.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/say.dm
index 1eebe03d1ab..a546e164901 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/say.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/say.dm
@@ -30,7 +30,10 @@
 /mob/living/silicon/pai/handle_message_mode(message_mode, message, verb, speaking, used_radios, alt_name)
 	if(..())
 		return 1
-	if(message_mode)
+	else if(message_mode == "whisper")
+		whisper_say(message, speaking, alt_name)
+		return 1
+	else if(message_mode)
 		if(message_mode == "general")
 			message_mode = null
 		return radio.talk_into(src,message,message_mode,verb,speaking)