diff --git a/code/datums/datumvars.dm b/code/datums/datumvars.dm
index e97de99feff..b7ac60b84d7 100644
--- a/code/datums/datumvars.dm
+++ b/code/datums/datumvars.dm
@@ -39,6 +39,8 @@
 			return debug_variable(var_name, list(), 0, src)
 	return debug_variable(var_name, vars[var_name], 0, src)
 
+/datum/proc/can_vv_delete()
+	return TRUE
 
 //please call . = ..() first and append to the result, that way parent items are always at the top and child items are further down
 //add seperaters by doing . += "---"
@@ -722,6 +724,16 @@
 			to_chat(M, "There were no ghosts willing to take control.")
 			message_admins("No ghosts were willing to take control of [key_name_admin(M)])")
 
+	else if(href_list["delete"])
+		if(!check_rights(R_DEBUG, 0))
+			return
+
+		var/datum/D = locateUID(href_list["delete"])
+		if(!D)
+			to_chat(usr, "Unable to locate item!")
+		admin_delete(D)
+		href_list["datumrefresh"] = href_list["delete"]
+
 	else if(href_list["delall"])
 		if(!check_rights(R_DEBUG|R_SERVER))	return
 
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/holder2.dm b/code/modules/admin/holder2.dm
index d2d0a6c7ab5..f3715eaab31 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/holder2.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/holder2.dm
@@ -102,4 +102,7 @@ you will have to do something like if(client.holder.rights & R_ADMIN) yourself.
 	return 0
 
 /datum/admins/vv_edit_var(var_name, var_value)
-	return FALSE // no admin abuse
\ No newline at end of file
+	return FALSE // no admin abuse
+
+/datum/admins/can_vv_delete()
+	return FALSE // don't break shit either
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/verbs/SDQL2/SDQL_2.dm b/code/modules/admin/verbs/SDQL2/SDQL_2.dm
index 7b111e8ed20..859ff3ecf2b 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/verbs/SDQL2/SDQL_2.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/verbs/SDQL2/SDQL_2.dm
@@ -89,8 +89,12 @@
 
 				if("delete")
 					for(var/d in objs)
-						if(!datum_is_forbidden(d))
-							qdel(d)
+						if(istype(d, /datum))
+							var/datum/D = d
+							if(!D.can_vv_delete())
+								to_chat(usr, "[D] rejected your deletion")
+								continue
+						qdel(d)
 
 				if("select")
 					var/text = ""
@@ -118,9 +122,6 @@
 					if("set" in query_tree)
 						var/list/set_list = query_tree["set"]
 						for(var/d in objs)
-							// Forbid explicitly modifying an admin datum's vars
-							if(datum_is_forbidden(d))
-								return
 							for(var/list/sets in set_list)
 								var/datum/temp = d
 								var/i = 0
@@ -128,11 +129,10 @@
 									if(++i == sets.len)
 										if(istype(temp, /turf) && (v == "x" || v == "y" || v == "z"))
 											continue
-										if(!datum_is_forbidden(temp.vars[v]))
-											return
-										temp.vars[v] = SDQL_expression(d, set_list[sets])
+										if(!temp.vv_edit_var(v, SDQL_expression(d, set_list[sets])))
+											to_chat(usr, "[temp] rejected your varedit.")
 										break
-									if(temp.vars.Find(v) && (istype(temp.vars[v], /datum) || istype(temp.vars[v], /client)) && !datum_is_forbidden(temp.vars[v]))
+									if(temp.vars.Find(v) && (istype(temp.vars[v], /datum) || istype(temp.vars[v], /client)))
 										temp = temp.vars[v]
 									else
 										break
@@ -440,11 +440,6 @@
 	for(var/arg in arguments)
 		new_args[++new_args.len] = SDQL_expression(source, arg)
 
-	for(var/p in forbidden_varedit_object_types)
-		if(istype(object, p))
-			to_chat(usr, "<span class='warning'>It is forbidden to run this object's procs.</span>")
-			return
-
 	if(object == world) // Global proc.
 		procname = "/proc/[procname]"
 		return call(procname)(arglist(new_args))
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/verbs/modifyvariables.dm b/code/modules/admin/verbs/modifyvariables.dm
index 3ffdc455045..0ad266ecaa1 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/verbs/modifyvariables.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/verbs/modifyvariables.dm
@@ -1,21 +1,7 @@
-var/list/forbidden_varedit_object_types = list(
-										/datum/admins,						//Admins editing their own admin-power object? Yup, sounds like a good idea.
-										/obj/machinery/blackbox_recorder,	//Prevents people messing with feedback gathering
-										/datum/feedback_variable			//Prevents people messing with feedback gathering
-									)
-
 var/list/VVlocked = list("vars", "var_edited", "client", "firemut", "ishulk", "telekinesis", "xray", "ka", "virus", "viruses", "cuffed", "last_eaten", "unlock_content") // R_DEBUG
 var/list/VVicon_edit_lock = list("icon", "icon_state", "overlays", "underlays", "resize") // R_EVENT | R_DEBUG
 var/list/VVckey_edit = list("key", "ckey") // R_EVENT | R_DEBUG
 var/list/VVpixelmovement = list("step_x", "step_y", "bound_height", "bound_width", "bound_x", "bound_y") // R_DEBUG + warning
-
-/proc/datum_is_forbidden(type)
-	for(var/p in forbidden_varedit_object_types)
-		if(istype(type, p))
-			to_chat(usr, "<span class='warning'>It is forbidden to tamper with this object.</span>")
-			return FALSE
-	return TRUE
-
 /client/proc/vv_get_class(var/var_value)
 	if(isnull(var_value))
 		. = VV_NULL
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/verbs/randomverbs.dm b/code/modules/admin/verbs/randomverbs.dm
index fdfbdfba6b2..ccae0db2988 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/verbs/randomverbs.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/verbs/randomverbs.dm
@@ -588,22 +588,30 @@ Traitors and the like can also be revived with the previous role mostly intact.
 	feedback_add_details("admin_verb","CCR") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
 
 
-/client/proc/cmd_admin_delete(atom/O as obj|mob|turf in view())
+/client/proc/cmd_admin_delete(atom/A as obj|mob|turf in view())
 	set category = "Admin"
 	set name = "Delete"
 
 	if(!check_rights(R_ADMIN))
 		return
 
-	if(alert(src, "Are you sure you want to delete:\n[O]\nat ([O.x], [O.y], [O.z])?", "Confirmation", "Yes", "No") == "Yes")
-		log_admin("[key_name(usr)] deleted [O] at ([O.x],[O.y],[O.z])")
-		message_admins("[key_name_admin(usr)] deleted [O] at ([O.x],[O.y],[O.z])", 1)
+	admin_delete(A)
+
+/client/proc/admin_delete(datum/D)
+	if(istype(D) && !D.can_vv_delete())
+		to_chat(src, "[D] rejected your deletion")
+		return
+	var/atom/A = D
+	var/coords = istype(A) ? "at ([A.x], [A.y], [A.z])" : ""
+	if(alert(src, "Are you sure you want to delete:\n[D]\n[coords]?", "Confirmation", "Yes", "No") == "Yes")
+		log_admin("[key_name(usr)] deleted [D][coords]")
+		message_admins("[key_name_admin(usr)] deleted [D][coords]", 1)
 		feedback_add_details("admin_verb","DEL") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
-		if(istype(O, /turf))
-			var/turf/T = O
+		if(isturf(D))
+			var/turf/T = D
 			T.ChangeTurf(/turf/space)
-			return
-		qdel(O)
+		else
+			qdel(D)
 
 /client/proc/cmd_admin_list_open_jobs()
 	set category = "Admin"
diff --git a/code/modules/research/message_server.dm b/code/modules/research/message_server.dm
index 52fa9596d92..86d507d34de 100644
--- a/code/modules/research/message_server.dm
+++ b/code/modules/research/message_server.dm
@@ -140,6 +140,9 @@ var/global/list/obj/machinery/message_server/message_servers = list()
 	variable = param_variable
 	value = param_value
 
+/datum/feedback_variable/vv_edit_var(var_name, var_value)
+	return FALSE // come on guys don't break the stats
+
 /datum/feedback_variable/proc/inc(var/num = 1)
 	if(isnum(value))
 		value += num
@@ -189,6 +192,7 @@ var/global/list/obj/machinery/message_server/message_servers = list()
 
 var/obj/machinery/blackbox_recorder/blackbox
 
+//TODO: kill whoever designed this cancer
 /obj/machinery/blackbox_recorder
 	icon = 'icons/obj/stationobjs.dmi'
 	icon_state = "blackbox"
@@ -314,6 +318,9 @@ var/obj/machinery/blackbox_recorder/blackbox
 		var/DBQuery/query_insert = dbcon.NewQuery(sql)
 		query_insert.Execute()
 
+/obj/machinery/blackbox_recorder/vv_edit_var(var_name, var_value)
+	return FALSE // don't fuck with the stupid blackbox shit
+
 
 proc/feedback_set(var/variable,var/value)
 	if(!blackbox) return