diff --git a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/global/setting_datums.dm b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/global/setting_datums.dm
index f8c0615ef95..21f80375063 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/preference_setup/global/setting_datums.dm
+++ b/code/modules/client/preference_setup/global/setting_datums.dm
@@ -113,6 +113,13 @@ var/list/_client_preferences_by_type
 	enabled_description = "Visible"
 	disabled_description = "Hidden"
 	enabled_by_default = FALSE
+
+/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle
+	description = "See subtles/whispers as ghost"
+	key = "GHOST_SEE_WHISUBTLE"
+	enabled_description = "Visible"
+	disabled_description = "Hidden"
+	enabled_by_default = TRUE
 //VOREStation Add End
 /datum/client_preference/weather_sounds
 	description ="Weather sounds"
@@ -373,7 +380,7 @@ var/list/_client_preferences_by_type
 	key = "RECEIVE_TIPS"
 	enabled_description = "Enabled"
 	disabled_description = "Disabled"
- 
+
 /datum/client_preference/pain_frequency
 	description = "Pain Messages Cooldown"
 	key = "PAIN_FREQUENCY"
diff --git a/code/modules/client/preferences_vr.dm b/code/modules/client/preferences_vr.dm
index 5de49fd1c15..99e81035092 100644
--- a/code/modules/client/preferences_vr.dm
+++ b/code/modules/client/preferences_vr.dm
@@ -88,6 +88,21 @@
 
 	feedback_add_details("admin_verb","TWhisubtleVis") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
 
+/client/verb/toggle_ghost_privacyvision()
+	set name = "Toggle Ghost Private Eyes/ears"
+	set category = "Preferences"
+	set desc = "Toggles your ability to see subtles/whispers. Overrides admin status. Respects Ghost Privacy"
+
+	var/pref_path = /datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle
+
+	toggle_preference(pref_path)
+
+	to_chat(src, "As a ghost, you will [ (is_preference_enabled(pref_path)) ? "now" : "no longer"] hear subtles/whispers made by players.")
+
+	SScharacter_setup.queue_preferences_save(prefs)
+
+	feedback_add_details("admin_verb","TGhostSeeWhisSubtle") //If you are copy-pasting this, ensure the 2nd parameter is unique to the new proc!
+
 /client/verb/toggle_capture_crystal()
 	set name = "Toggle Catchable"
 	set category = "Preferences"
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
index e6f3c5edeed..04a257cc5d4 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/say.dm
@@ -363,7 +363,8 @@ var/list/channel_to_radio_key = new
 
 			if(M && src) //If we still exist, when the spawn processes
 				//VOREStation Add - Ghosts don't hear whispers
-				if(whispering && !is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && isobserver(M) && !M.client?.holder)
+				if(whispering && isobserver(M) && (!M.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle) || \
+				(!is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis)  && !M.client?.holder)))
 					M.show_message("<span class='game say'><span class='name'>[src.name]</span> [w_not_heard].</span>", 2)
 					return
 				//VOREStation Add End
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/pai_vr.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/pai_vr.dm
index e692cc107bd..86d9d833346 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/pai_vr.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/silicon/pai/pai_vr.dm
@@ -513,7 +513,8 @@
 		if (istype(G, /mob/new_player))
 			continue
 		else if(isobserver(G) && G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_ears))
-			if(is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) || G.client.holder)
+			if((is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) || G.client.holder) && \
+			G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle))
 				to_chat(G, "<span class='filter_say cult'>[src.name]'s screen prints, \"[message]\"</span>")
 
 /mob/living/silicon/pai/proc/touch_window(soft_name)	//This lets us touch TGUI procs and windows that may be nested behind other TGUI procs and windows
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/living/simple_mob/subtypes/animal/alien animals/stardog.dm b/code/modules/mob/living/simple_mob/subtypes/animal/alien animals/stardog.dm
index e7e0e9ecca7..54b63aef977 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/living/simple_mob/subtypes/animal/alien animals/stardog.dm	
+++ b/code/modules/mob/living/simple_mob/subtypes/animal/alien animals/stardog.dm	
@@ -500,7 +500,8 @@
 	for(var/mob/M as anything in vis_mobs)
 		if(isnewplayer(M))
 			continue
-		if(isobserver(M) && !L.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder)
+		if(isobserver(M) && (!M.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle) || \
+		!L.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder))
 			spawn(0)
 				M.show_message(undisplayed_message, 2)
 		else
@@ -1171,7 +1172,8 @@
 	for(var/mob/M as anything in vis_mobs)
 		if(isnewplayer(M))
 			continue
-		if(isobserver(M) && !L.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder)
+		if(isobserver(M) && (!M.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle) || \
+		!L.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder))
 			spawn(0)
 				M.show_message(undisplayed_message, 2)
 		else
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/say_vr.dm b/code/modules/mob/say_vr.dm
index efbd0c308ed..ce58e3d8517 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/say_vr.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/say_vr.dm
@@ -200,7 +200,8 @@
 		for(var/mob/M as anything in vis_mobs)
 			if(isnewplayer(M))
 				continue
-			if(isobserver(M) && !is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder)
+			if(isobserver(M) && (!M.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle) || \
+			!is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) && !M.client?.holder))
 				spawn(0)
 					M.show_message(undisplayed_message, 2)
 			else
@@ -341,7 +342,8 @@
 		for (var/mob/G in player_list)
 			if (istype(G, /mob/new_player))
 				continue
-			else if(isobserver(G) && G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_ears))
+			else if(isobserver(G) &&  G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_ears && \
+			G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle)))
 				if(is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) || G.client.holder)
 					to_chat(G, "<span class='psay'>\The [M] thinks, \"[message]\"</span>")
 		log_say(message,M)
@@ -438,7 +440,8 @@
 		for (var/mob/G in player_list)
 			if (istype(G, /mob/new_player))
 				continue
-			else if(isobserver(G) && G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_ears))
+			else if(isobserver(G) && G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_ears && \
+			G.is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/ghost_see_whisubtle)))
 				if(is_preference_enabled(/datum/client_preference/whisubtle_vis) || G.client.holder)
 					to_chat(G, "<span class='pemote'>\The [M] [message]</span>")
 		log_say(message,M)