diff --git a/code/__defines/typeids.dm b/code/__defines/typeids.dm
index 53028be294..6ee99f62a0 100644
--- a/code/__defines/typeids.dm
+++ b/code/__defines/typeids.dm
@@ -2,5 +2,5 @@
 #define TYPEID_NULL "0"
 #define TYPEID_NORMAL_LIST "f"
 //helper macros
-#define GET_TYPEID(ref) ( ( (length(ref) <= 10) ? "TYPEID_NULL" : copytext(ref, 4, length(ref)-6) ) )
+#define GET_TYPEID(ref) ( ( (length(ref) <= 10) ? "TYPEID_NULL" : copytext(ref, 4, -7) ) )
 #define IS_NORMAL_LIST(L) (GET_TYPEID("\ref[L]") == TYPEID_NORMAL_LIST)
diff --git a/code/__defines/vv.dm b/code/__defines/vv.dm
index 97e3a02e0d..e71d6e2f8f 100644
--- a/code/__defines/vv.dm
+++ b/code/__defines/vv.dm
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 #define VV_NORMAL_LIST_NO_EXPAND_THRESHOLD 50
 #define VV_SPECIAL_LIST_NO_EXPAND_THRESHOLD 150
 
-#define IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(V) (istext(V) || isdatum(V) || islist(V))
+#define IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(V) (!isnum(V))
 
 //Helpers for vv_get_dropdown()
 #define VV_DROPDOWN_OPTION(href_key, name) . += "<option value='?_src_=vars;[href_key]=TRUE;target=\ref[src]'>[name]</option>"
@@ -35,6 +35,16 @@
 //Helpers for vv_do_topic(list/href_list)
 #define IF_VV_OPTION(href_key) if(href_list[href_key])
 
+// vv_do_list() keys
+#define VV_HK_LIST_ADD "listadd"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_EDIT "listedit"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_CHANGE "listchange"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_REMOVE "listremove"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_NULLS "listnulls"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_DUPES "listdupes"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_SHUFFLE "listshuffle"
+#define VV_HK_LIST_SET_LENGTH "listlen"
+
 // /datum
 #define VV_HK_DELETE "delete"
 #define VV_HK_EXPOSE "expose"
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/debug_variables.dm b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/debug_variables.dm
index bcf097f813..97ce67e61b 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/debug_variables.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/debug_variables.dm
@@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
 				name = DA[name] //name is really the index until this line
 			else
 				value = DA[name]
-			header = "<li style='backgroundColor:white'>(<a href='?_src_=vars;listedit=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>E</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;listchange=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>C</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;listremove=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>-</a>) "
+			header = "<li style='backgroundColor:white'>(<a href='?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_EDIT]=1;target=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>E</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_CHANGE]=1;target=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>C</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_REMOVE]=1;target=\ref[DA];index=[index]'>-</a>) "
 		else
 			header = "<li style='backgroundColor:white'>(<a href='?_src_=vars;datumedit=\ref[DA];varnameedit=[name]'>E</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;datumchange=\ref[DA];varnamechange=[name]'>C</a>) (<a href='?_src_=vars;datummass=\ref[DA];varnamemass=[name]'>M</a>) "
 	else
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/modify_variables.dm b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/modify_variables.dm
index 1e3aef04bd..9a999e1a75 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/modify_variables.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/modify_variables.dm
@@ -97,9 +97,10 @@ GLOBAL_PROTECT(VVpixelmovement)
 
 	L += var_value
 
-	switch(alert("Would you like to associate a value with the list entry?",,"Yes","No"))
-		if("Yes")
-			L[var_value] = mod_list_add_ass(O) //hehe
+	if(IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(var_value))
+		switch(alert("Would you like to associate a value with the list entry?",,"Yes","No"))
+			if("Yes")
+				L[var_value] = mod_list_add_ass(O) //hehe
 	if (O)
 		if (O.vv_edit_var(objectvar, L) == FALSE)
 			to_chat(src, "Your edit was rejected by the object.")
@@ -179,12 +180,13 @@ GLOBAL_PROTECT(VVpixelmovement)
 	if (index == null)
 		return
 	var/assoc = 0
-	var/prompt = alert(src, "Do you want to edit the key or its assigned value?", "Associated List", "Key", "Assigned Value", "Cancel")
-	if (prompt == "Cancel")
-		return
-	if (prompt == "Assigned Value")
-		assoc = 1
-		assoc_key = L[index]
+	if(IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(L[index]))
+		var/prompt = alert(src, "Do you want to edit the key or its assigned value?", "Associated List", "Key", "Assigned Value", "Cancel")
+		if (prompt == "Cancel")
+			return
+		if (prompt == "Assigned Value")
+			assoc = 1
+			assoc_key = L[index]
 	var/default
 	var/variable
 	var/old_assoc_value		//EXPERIMENTAL - Keep old associated value while modifying key, if any
@@ -193,9 +195,10 @@ GLOBAL_PROTECT(VVpixelmovement)
 	else
 		variable = L[index]
 		//EXPERIMENTAL - Keep old associated value while modifying key, if any
-		var/found = L[variable]
-		if(!isnull(found))
-			old_assoc_value = found
+		if(IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(variable))		
+			var/found = L[variable]
+			if(!isnull(found))
+				old_assoc_value = found
 		//
 
 	default = vv_get_class(objectvar, variable)
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic.dm b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic.dm
index b524ade4b2..43c51e65c6 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic.dm
@@ -4,8 +4,10 @@
 	if((usr.client != src) || !src.holder)
 		return
 	var/datum/target = locate(href_list["target"])
-	if(target)
+	if(istype(target))
 		target.vv_do_topic(href_list)
+	else if(islist(target))
+		vv_do_list(target, href_list)
 
 	if(href_list["Vars"])
 		debug_variables(locate(href_list["Vars"]))
@@ -519,6 +521,6 @@
 
 	if(href_list["datumrefresh"])
 		var/datum/DAT = locate(href_list["datumrefresh"])
-		if(istype(DAT, /datum) || istype(DAT, /client))
+		if(istype(DAT, /datum) || istype(DAT, /client) || islist(DAT))
 			debug_variables(DAT)
 
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic_list.dm b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic_list.dm
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..c76023ec1f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/topic_list.dm
@@ -0,0 +1,44 @@
+//LISTS - CAN NOT DO VV_DO_TOPIC BECAUSE LISTS AREN'T DATUMS :(
+/client/proc/vv_do_list(list/target, href_list)
+	if(!check_rights(R_VAREDIT))
+		return
+	var/target_index = text2num(href_list["index"])
+	if(target_index)
+		if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_EDIT])
+			mod_list(target, null, "list", "contents", target_index, autodetect_class = TRUE)
+		if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_CHANGE])
+			mod_list(target, null, "list", "contents", target_index, autodetect_class = FALSE)
+		if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_REMOVE])
+			var/variable = target[target_index]
+			var/prompt = alert("Do you want to remove item number [target_index] from list?", "Confirm", "Yes", "No")
+			if (prompt != "Yes")
+				return
+			target.Cut(target_index, target_index+1)
+			log_world("### ListVarEdit by [src]: /list's contents: REMOVED=[html_encode("[variable]")]")
+			log_admin("[key_name(src)] modified list's contents: REMOVED=[variable]")
+			message_admins("[key_name_admin(src)] modified list's contents: REMOVED=[variable]")
+	if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_ADD])
+		mod_list_add(target, null, "list", "contents")
+	if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_DUPES])
+		uniqueList_inplace(target)
+		log_world("### ListVarEdit by [src]: /list contents: CLEAR DUPES")
+		log_admin("[key_name(src)] modified list's contents: CLEAR DUPES")
+		message_admins("[key_name_admin(src)] modified list's contents: CLEAR DUPES")
+	if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_NULLS])
+		listclearnulls(target)
+		log_world("### ListVarEdit by [src]: /list contents: CLEAR NULLS")
+		log_admin("[key_name(src)] modified list's contents: CLEAR NULLS")
+		message_admins("[key_name_admin(src)] modified list's contents: CLEAR NULLS")
+	if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_SET_LENGTH])
+		var/value = vv_get_value(VV_NUM)
+		if (value["class"] != VV_NUM || value["value"] > max(5000, target.len))			//safety - would rather someone not put an extra 0 and erase the server's memory lmao.
+			return
+		target.len = value["value"]
+		log_world("### ListVarEdit by [src]: /list len: [target.len]")
+		log_admin("[key_name(src)] modified list's len: [target.len]")
+		message_admins("[key_name_admin(src)] modified list's len: [target.len]")
+	if(href_list[VV_HK_LIST_SHUFFLE])
+		shuffle_inplace(target)
+		log_world("### ListVarEdit by [src]: /list contents: SHUFFLE")
+		log_admin("[key_name(src)] modified list's contents: SHUFFLE")
+		message_admins("[key_name_admin(src)] modified list's contents: SHUFFLE")
diff --git a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/view_variables.dm b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/view_variables.dm
index efa6f424f1..767d693abd 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/view_variables/view_variables.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/view_variables/view_variables.dm
@@ -55,12 +55,12 @@
 	if (islist)
 		dropdownoptions = list(
 			"---",
-			"Add Item" = "?_src_=vars;listadd=[refid]",
-			"Remove Nulls" = "?_src_=vars;listnulls=[refid]",
-			"Remove Dupes" = "?_src_=vars;listdupes=[refid]",
-			"Set len" = "?_src_=vars;listlen=[refid]",
-			"Shuffle" = "?_src_=vars;listshuffle=[refid]",
-			"Show VV To Player" = "?_src_=vars;expose=[refid]"
+			"Add Item" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_ADD]=TRUE;target=[refid]",
+			"Remove Nulls" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_NULLS]=TRUE;target=[refid]",
+			"Remove Dupes" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_ERASE_DUPES]=TRUE;target=[refid]",
+			"Set len" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_SET_LENGTH]=TRUE;target=[refid]",
+			"Shuffle" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_LIST_SHUFFLE]=TRUE;target=[refid]",
+			// "Show VV To Player" = "?_src_=vars;[VV_HK_EXPOSE]=TRUE;target=[refid]" // TODO - Not yet implemented for lists
 			)
 		autoconvert_dropdown = TRUE
 	else
@@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
 		for (var/i in 1 to L.len)
 			var/key = L[i]
 			var/value
-			if (IS_NORMAL_LIST(L) && !isnum(key))
+			if (IS_NORMAL_LIST(L) && IS_VALID_ASSOC_KEY(key))
 				value = L[key]
 			variable_html += debug_variable(i, value, 0, D)
 	else
diff --git a/vorestation.dme b/vorestation.dme
index aa692ba28d..d14ea1af2a 100644
--- a/vorestation.dme
+++ b/vorestation.dme
@@ -1588,6 +1588,7 @@
 #include "code\modules\admin\view_variables\mass_edit_variables.dm"
 #include "code\modules\admin\view_variables\modify_variables.dm"
 #include "code\modules\admin\view_variables\topic.dm"
+#include "code\modules\admin\view_variables\topic_list.dm"
 #include "code\modules\admin\view_variables\view_variables.dm"
 #include "code\modules\ai\_defines.dm"
 #include "code\modules\ai\ai_holder.dm"