diff --git a/code/datums/components/crafting/guncrafting.dm b/code/datums/components/crafting/guncrafting.dm
index 4626ef69d1..56e3be8524 100644
--- a/code/datums/components/crafting/guncrafting.dm
+++ b/code/datums/components/crafting/guncrafting.dm
@@ -8,9 +8,9 @@ k// PARTS //
 	custom_materials = list(/datum/material/wood = MINERAL_MATERIAL_AMOUNT * 6)
 	icon_state = "riflestock"
 
-/obj/item/weaponcrafting/durathread_string
-	name = "durathread string"
-	desc = "A long piece of durathread with some resemblance to cable coil."
+/obj/item/weaponcrafting/string
+	name = "wound thread"
+	desc = "A long piece of thread with some resemblance to cable coil."
 	icon_state = "durastring"
 
 ////////////////////////////////
diff --git a/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_primal.dm b/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_primal.dm
index e646d24018..aaae94df1d 100644
--- a/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_primal.dm
+++ b/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_primal.dm
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@
 /datum/crafting_recipe/bone_bow
 	name = "Bone Bow"
 	result = /obj/item/gun/ballistic/bow/ashen
-	time = 200
+	time = 120 // 80+120 = 200
 	always_availible = FALSE
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/stack/sheet/bone = 8,
 				 /obj/item/stack/sheet/sinew = 4)
@@ -112,7 +112,7 @@
 /datum/crafting_recipe/bow_tablet
 	name = "Sandstone Bow Making Manual"
 	result = /obj/item/book/granter/crafting_recipe/bone_bow
-	time = 600 //Scribing
+	time = 200 //Scribing // don't care
 	always_availible = FALSE
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/stack/rods = 1,
 				 /obj/item/stack/sheet/mineral/sandstone = 4)
diff --git a/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_weapon_and_ammo.dm b/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_weapon_and_ammo.dm
index 177f6fb2b6..540d608bae 100644
--- a/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_weapon_and_ammo.dm
+++ b/code/datums/components/crafting/recipes/recipes_weapon_and_ammo.dm
@@ -192,8 +192,8 @@
 	result =  /obj/item/gun/ballistic/bow/pipe
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/pipe = 5,
 	/obj/item/stack/sheet/plastic = 15,
-	/obj/item/weaponcrafting/durathread_string = 5)
-	time = 450
+	/obj/item/weaponcrafting/string = 5)
+	time = 150
 	category = CAT_WEAPONRY
 	subcategory = CAT_WEAPON
 
@@ -326,9 +326,9 @@
 /datum/crafting_recipe/arrow
 	name = "Arrow"
 	result = /obj/item/ammo_casing/caseless/arrow/wood
-	time = 30
+	time = 5 // these only do 15 damage
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/stack/sheet/mineral/wood = 1,
-				 /obj/item/stack/sheet/durathread = 1,
+				 /obj/item/stack/sheet/cloth = 1,
 				 /obj/item/stack/rods = 1) // 1 metal sheet = 2 rods = 2 arrows
 	category = CAT_WEAPONRY
 	subcategory = CAT_AMMO
@@ -336,7 +336,7 @@
 /datum/crafting_recipe/bone_arrow
 	name = "Bone Arrow"
 	result = /obj/item/ammo_casing/caseless/arrow/bone
-	time = 30
+	time = 5
 	always_availible = FALSE
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/stack/sheet/bone = 1,
 				 /obj/item/stack/sheet/sinew = 1,
@@ -348,7 +348,7 @@
 	name = "Ashen Arrow"
 	result = /obj/item/ammo_casing/caseless/arrow/ash
 	tools = list(TOOL_WELDER)
-	time = 30
+	time = 10 // 1.5 seconds minimum per actually worthwhile arrow excluding interface lag
 	always_availible = FALSE
 	reqs = list(/obj/item/ammo_casing/caseless/arrow/wood = 1)
 	category = CAT_WEAPONRY
diff --git a/code/game/objects/items/stacks/sheets/sheet_types.dm b/code/game/objects/items/stacks/sheets/sheet_types.dm
index f0a57fddb2..f8786a7437 100644
--- a/code/game/objects/items/stacks/sheets/sheet_types.dm
+++ b/code/game/objects/items/stacks/sheets/sheet_types.dm
@@ -382,6 +382,7 @@ GLOBAL_LIST_INIT(cloth_recipes, list ( \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("chemistry bag", /obj/item/storage/bag/chemistry, 4), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("bio bag", /obj/item/storage/bag/bio, 4), \
 	null, \
+	new/datum/stack_recipe("string", /obj/item/weaponcrafting/string, 1, time = 10), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("improvised gauze", /obj/item/stack/medical/gauze/improvised, 1, 2, 6), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("rag", /obj/item/reagent_containers/rag, 1), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("towel", /obj/item/reagent_containers/rag/towel, 3), \
@@ -429,7 +430,6 @@ GLOBAL_LIST_INIT(durathread_recipes, list ( \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("durathread beret", /obj/item/clothing/head/beret/durathread, 2, time = 40), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("durathread beanie", /obj/item/clothing/head/beanie/durathread, 2, time = 40), \
 	new/datum/stack_recipe("durathread bandana", /obj/item/clothing/mask/bandana/durathread, 1, time = 25), \
-	new/datum/stack_recipe("durathread string", /obj/item/weaponcrafting/durathread_string, 1, time = 40), \
 	))
 
 /obj/item/stack/sheet/durathread
diff --git a/code/modules/projectiles/guns/ballistic/bow.dm b/code/modules/projectiles/guns/ballistic/bow.dm
index 4bd7d34fe2..dbf249b3f8 100644
--- a/code/modules/projectiles/guns/ballistic/bow.dm
+++ b/code/modules/projectiles/guns/ballistic/bow.dm
@@ -59,7 +59,7 @@
 
 /obj/item/gun/ballistic/bow/pipe
 	name = "pipe bow"
-	desc = "Some sort of pipe made projectile weapon made of a durathread string and lots of bending. Used to fire arrows."
+	desc = "Some sort of pipe-based projectile weapon made of string and lots of bending. Used to fire arrows."
 	icon_state = "pipebow"
 	item_state = "pipebow"
-	force = 0
+	force = 2