diff --git a/code/__DEFINES/traits.dm b/code/__DEFINES/traits.dm
index ded183ba0b..3807b66b06 100644
--- a/code/__DEFINES/traits.dm
+++ b/code/__DEFINES/traits.dm
@@ -165,6 +165,7 @@
 #define TRAIT_EXEMPT_HEALTH_EVENTS	"exempt-health-events"
 #define TRAIT_NO_MIDROUND_ANTAG	"no-midround-antag" //can't be turned into an antag by random events
 #define TRAIT_PUGILIST	"pugilist" //This guy punches people for a living
+#define TRAIT_NOPUGILIST "nopugilist" // for preventing ((((((((((extreme)))))))))) punch stacking
 #define TRAIT_KI_VAMPIRE	"ki-vampire" //when someone with this trait rolls maximum damage on a punch and stuns the target, they regain some stamina and do clone damage
 #define TRAIT_MAULER	"mauler" // this guy punches the shit out of people to hurt them, not to drain their stamina
 #define TRAIT_PASSTABLE			"passtable"
diff --git a/code/datums/martial/sleeping_carp.dm b/code/datums/martial/sleeping_carp.dm
index 5881c76827..9b9ea3c86e 100644
--- a/code/datums/martial/sleeping_carp.dm
+++ b/code/datums/martial/sleeping_carp.dm
@@ -165,6 +165,7 @@
 	ADD_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_PIERCEIMMUNE, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
 	ADD_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_NODISMEMBER, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
 	ADD_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_TASED_RESISTANCE, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
+	ADD_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT) // cqc doesn't get this as it's intended to be able to stack with northstar gloves
 	H.physiology.brute_mod *= 0.4 //brute is really not gonna cut it
 	H.physiology.burn_mod *= 0.7 //burn is distinctly more useful against them than brute but they're still resistant
 	H.physiology.stamina_mod *= 0.4 //You take less stamina damage overall, but you do not reduce the damage from stun batons as much
@@ -181,6 +182,7 @@
 	REMOVE_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_PIERCEIMMUNE, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
 	REMOVE_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_NODISMEMBER, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
 	REMOVE_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_TASED_RESISTANCE, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
+	REMOVE_TRAIT(H, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST, SLEEPING_CARP_TRAIT)
 	H.physiology.brute_mod = initial(H.physiology.brute_mod)
 	H.physiology.burn_mod = initial(H.physiology.burn_mod)
 	H.physiology.stamina_mod = initial(H.physiology.stamina_mod)
diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
index 5b6a7648c8..b7aeb23e6f 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/changeling/powers/mutations.dm
@@ -680,6 +680,11 @@
 	glove_type = /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/cling // just punch his head off dude
 	glove_name_simple = "bone gauntlets"
 
+/obj/effect/proc_holder/changeling/gloves/gauntlets/sting_action(mob/living/user)
+	if(HAS_TRAIT(user, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST))
+		to_chat(user, "<span class='warning'>We would gain nothing by forming our fists into brute-force weapons when we are trained in precision martial arts!</span>")
+		return
+
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/cling // switches between lesser GotNS and Big Punchy Rib Breaky Hands
 	name = "hewn bone gauntlets"
 	icon_state = "ling_gauntlets"
diff --git a/code/modules/clothing/gloves/miscellaneous.dm b/code/modules/clothing/gloves/miscellaneous.dm
index 39c8c2df07..27f6325ccb 100644
--- a/code/modules/clothing/gloves/miscellaneous.dm
+++ b/code/modules/clothing/gloves/miscellaneous.dm
@@ -37,14 +37,19 @@
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/equipped(mob/user, slot)
 	. = ..()
 	if(slot == SLOT_GLOVES)
-		use_buffs(user, TRUE)
 		wornonce = TRUE
+		if((HAS_TRAIT(user, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST)))
+			to_chat(user, "<span class='danger'>What purpose is there to don the weapons of pugilism if you're already well-practiced in martial arts?! Mixing arts is blasphemous</span>")
+			return
+		use_buffs(user, TRUE)
 
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/dropped(mob/user)
 	. = ..()
 	if(wornonce)
-		use_buffs(user, FALSE)
 		wornonce = FALSE
+		if((HAS_TRAIT(user, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST)))
+			return
+		use_buffs(user, FALSE)
 
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/proc/use_buffs(mob/user, buff)
 	if(buff) // tarukaja
@@ -247,14 +252,18 @@
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/mauler/equipped(mob/user, slot)
 	. = ..()
 	if(slot == SLOT_GLOVES)
-		use_mauls(user, TRUE)
 		wornonce = TRUE
+		if((HAS_TRAIT(user, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST)))
+			return
+		use_mauls(user, TRUE)
 
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/mauler/dropped(mob/user)
 	. = ..()
 	if(wornonce)
-		use_mauls(user, FALSE)
 		wornonce = FALSE
+		if((HAS_TRAIT(user, TRAIT_NOPUGILIST)))
+			return
+		use_mauls(user, FALSE)
 
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/fingerless/pugilist/mauler/proc/use_mauls(mob/user, maul)
 	if(maul)
@@ -264,6 +273,7 @@
 			if(silent)
 				to_chat(H, "<span class='danger'>You feel prickles around your wrists as [src] cling to them - strength courses through your veins!</span>")
 
+
 /obj/item/clothing/gloves/botanic_leather
 	name = "botanist's leather gloves"
 	desc = "These leather gloves protect against thorns, barbs, prickles, spikes and other harmful objects of floral origin.  They're also quite warm."