diff --git a/code/game/gamemodes/clock_cult/clock_cult.dm b/code/game/gamemodes/clock_cult/clock_cult.dm
index 2f395cc149..be05a0a9bf 100644
--- a/code/game/gamemodes/clock_cult/clock_cult.dm
+++ b/code/game/gamemodes/clock_cult/clock_cult.dm
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@ Credit where due:
 		return TRUE
 	return FALSE
 
-/proc/add_servant_of_ratvar(mob/L, silent = FALSE, create_team = TRUE, neutered = FALSE)
+/proc/add_servant_of_ratvar(mob/L, silent = FALSE, create_team = TRUE, neutered = FALSE, ignore_eligibility = FALSE)
 	if(!L || !L.mind)
 		return
 	var/update_type = /datum/antagonist/clockcult
@@ -84,6 +84,7 @@ Credit where due:
 	var/datum/antagonist/clockcult/C = new update_type(L.mind)
 	C.make_team = create_team
 	C.show_in_roundend = create_team //tutorial scarabs begone
+	C.ignore_eligibility_check = ignore_eligibility
 
 	if(iscyborg(L))
 		var/mob/living/silicon/robot/R = L
diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clock_items/clockwork_slab.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clock_items/clockwork_slab.dm
index f0e9ee4944..f10d9daba9 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clock_items/clockwork_slab.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clock_items/clockwork_slab.dm
@@ -45,22 +45,10 @@
 /obj/item/clockwork/slab/traitor/attack_self(mob/living/user)
 	if(!is_servant_of_ratvar(user) && !spent)
 		to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>You press your hand onto [src], golden tendrils of light latching onto you. Was this the best of ideas?</span>")
-		if(add_servant_of_ratvar(user, FALSE, FALSE, TRUE))
+		if(add_servant_of_ratvar(user, FALSE, FALSE, TRUE, TRUE))
 			spent = TRUE
 		else
-			var/has_mindshield = locate(/obj/item/implant/mindshield) in user
-			var/str = "It looks like your mind is protected. You can probably refund this with your uplink."
-			if(has_mindshield)
-				str = "It looks like your mind is shielded, offering you a choice."
-			to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] pulses, the tendrils wrapping around your head. [str]</span>")
-			if(alert(user, "Would you like to attempt to force the shielding influence from your mind? This will destroy your mindshield implant.", "Destroy mindshield?", "Yes", "No") == "Yes")
-				if(spent || !user.CanReach(src) || user.incapacitated() || user.IsKnockdown() || user.IsStun())
-					return
-				qdel(has_mindshield)
-				if(add_servant_of_ratvar(user, FALSE, FALSE, TRUE))
-					spent = TRUE
-				else
-					to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] falls dark. It appears you weren't worthy.</span>")
+			to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] falls dark. It appears you weren't worthy.</span>")
 	return ..()
 
 //ATTACK HAND IGNORING PARENT RETURN VALUE
diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clockcult.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clockcult.dm
index 7462620287..ef52975da3 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clockcult.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/clockcult/clockcult.dm
@@ -9,6 +9,7 @@
 	var/datum/team/clockcult/clock_team
 	var/make_team = TRUE //This should be only false for tutorial scarabs
 	var/neutered = FALSE			//can not use round ending, gibbing, converting, or similar things with unmatched round impact
+	var/ignore_eligibility_check = FALSE
 
 /datum/antagonist/clockcult/silent
 	silent = TRUE
@@ -41,7 +42,7 @@
 
 /datum/antagonist/clockcult/can_be_owned(datum/mind/new_owner)
 	. = ..()
-	if(.)
+	if(. && !ignore_eligibility_check)
 		. = is_eligible_servant(new_owner.current)
 
 /datum/antagonist/clockcult/greet()
diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult.dm
index 4dbdf6a7d5..ce60045817 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult.dm
@@ -13,10 +13,14 @@
 	var/give_equipment = FALSE
 	var/datum/team/cult/cult_team
 	var/neutered = FALSE			//can not use round ending, gibbing, converting, or similar things with unmatched round impact
+	var/ignore_eligibility_checks = FALSE
 
 /datum/antagonist/cult/neutered
 	neutered = TRUE
 
+/datum/antagonist/cult/neutered/traitor
+	ignore_eligibility_checks = TRUE
+
 /datum/antagonist/cult/get_team()
 	return cult_team
 
@@ -46,7 +50,7 @@
 
 /datum/antagonist/cult/can_be_owned(datum/mind/new_owner)
 	. = ..()
-	if(. && !ignore_implant)
+	if(. && !ignore_implant && !ignore_eligibility_checks)
 		. = is_convertable_to_cult(new_owner.current,cult_team)
 
 /datum/antagonist/cult/greet()
diff --git a/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult_items.dm b/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult_items.dm
index 5d7cb86ca4..c4fd2a657b 100644
--- a/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult_items.dm
+++ b/code/modules/antagonists/cult/cult_items.dm
@@ -15,22 +15,10 @@
 /obj/item/tome/traitor/attack_self(mob/living/user)
 	if(!iscultist(user) && !spent)
 		to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>You press your hand onto [src], sinister tendrils of corrupted magic swirling around you. Was this the best of ideas?</span>")
-		if(user.mind.add_antag_datum(/datum/antagonist/cult/neutered))
+		if(user.mind.add_antag_datum(/datum/antagonist/cult/neutered/traitor))
 			spent = TRUE
 		else
-			var/has_mindshield = locate(/obj/item/implant/mindshield) in user
-			var/str = "It looks like your mind is protected. You can probably refund this with your uplink."
-			if(has_mindshield)
-				str = "It looks like your mind is shielded, offering you a choice."
-			to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] pulses, the tendrils wrapping around your head. [str]</span>")
-			if(alert(user, "Would you like to attempt to force the shielding influence from your mind? This will destroy your mindshield implant.", "Destroy mindshield?", "Yes", "No") == "Yes")
-				if(spent || !user.CanReach(src) || user.incapacitated() || user.IsKnockdown() || user.IsStun())
-					return
-				qdel(has_mindshield)
-				if(user.mind.add_antag_datum(/datum/antagonist/cult/neutered))
-					spent = TRUE
-				else
-					to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] falls dark. It appears you weren't worthy.</span>")
+			to_chat(user, "<span class='userdanger'>[src] falls dark. It appears you weren't worthy.</span>")
 	return ..()
 
 /obj/item/melee/cultblade/dagger